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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think it's a combination of a lot of factors and welfare helps. I think it's education, I thinks it's the type of jobs available to poor people, I think it's the unhealthy environment with fast food and liquor stores and currency exchanges, I think it's the look of the neighborhood (litter all over the place, etc.) - I think there are a lot of "main" problems.


    I don't think it should be attractive, which is why I think welfare problems should be replaced or amended.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    oh lawdy lawdy, a conservative citing sociological arguments and explanations! The sky is falling...
    Since when did sociology become the realm of liberals only? I mean I was an anthropology major, and sociology is a large part of that.

    Or is it because it has the word "social" in it.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    One of the joys of a capitalist society is that people can work their way out of poverty.

    I spend 6 days a week working with both types of people...the truly needy and the type I classify as crippled dependent pets. Last night was a prime example...young woman with a TBI at age 4 and now in pretty desperate condition as an adult. She was at the end of a rope (yes...literally-not figuratively), and the family didnt know what to do anymore. She qualifies for services and desperately needs them. Unfortunately the beds and support we need are filled by the 19 year old malingerers that refuse to get the help they are offered because its easier to spend 15-20 days flopping on peoples couches with the other 10-15 days spent in funded programs because they have learned how to say "well...Im going to kill myself" and know that they are going to get 3 hot meals and a comfy bed...some medication, and can spend the bulk of their day laying around watching TV and all they have to do is a loittle dance when they interview with the pyschiatrist and social worker.
    that sucks.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, I'll be damned. You said something I like.
    Well, we might as well just close down the thread then.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    I think a lot of Americans would be trying to illegally immigrate into Canada if we didn't have those programs.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Talk about naive. Got any evidence to back that claim up? Or is it more opinion?
    How is it naive? If you worked a minimum wage job, full time and didn't waste money on booze and drugs....you could do just that.

    This is a factor of society and has nothing at all to do with survival of the fittest. We left that behind when we started calling ourselves "civilized."
    Society doesn't make people dumb. Genetics does that. The majority of the poor are not poor becuase they areof below average intelligence.

    Again any evidence to back this up?
    There's plenty out there....mainly all the studies surroundeing the welfare reform act of 94.

    Again any evidence?
    uhhh, yeah...History, cultural geography....you're going to have to do a lot of reading to catch up on those though. Wiki ain't gonna do it, bro.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Since when did sociology become the realm of liberals only? I mean I was an anthropology major, and sociology is a large part of that.

    Or is it because it has the word "social" in it.
    Let's just say, I've had a history of trying to use sociology and sociological data to debate conservatives on issues of race and class. Often my arguments are dismissed out of hand: "Sociology assumes all whites are racist anyway, blah blah blah."
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Since when did sociology become the realm of liberals only? I mean I was an anthropology major, and sociology is a large part of that.

    Or is it because it has the word "social" in it.
    Sociology was my minor....and most people here think I'm a right-winger.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I totally agree Vance. On a much larger scale, similar arguments are made for developing Third World countries. But it's much easier said than done.
    I think it is actually at least as doable as sayable. But it requires a shift in mindset. We have to invest more in long term ideology than in short term handout quickfixes. We need to allow a few bad apples to be tossed and rot. We need more personal responsibility. We need to stop the class warfare bull**** that is perpetuated by people that profit from it (community organizers and politicians) and we need to promote success, to encourage the return of the industrial base (which sorry leftists of the world...but that means more corporate tax breaks to entice them to bring jobs BACK). We dont need EVERY job to be an inudstrial job, but industry jobs create opportunities for other good paying service based jobs. Industrial jobs create better consumers which means more purchases of homes, car's and other high dollar items.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Sociology was my minor....and most people here think I'm a right-winger.
    Until you start debating real right-wing idiots like Amazed.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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