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Thread: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

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    You'd be surprised what a little hope does in the hood.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

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    What, specifically, about not introducing social programs would have caused Americas greatness to suddenly disappear?
    It is my opinion that any great nation should always have programs in place that help citizens who struggle, particularly in poverty. If we were a nation that let the "least" of our society stay as they are without any national effort, then we would not be great. Charities cannot handle all the work required to take such actions.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

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    ^ If mac aint black, he's whack. XD
    Mac is.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, they educated me......and I don't live there anymore. I left school at 15...got a GED and the military paid for my degrees.....

    How's that fit into your coffee shop socialist paradigm?
    How does this prove anything I've said wrong? You got out and that's supposed to prove the education system in poor areas is amazing?

    It's also funny that you can never debate people without veering off topic into nonsensical accusations - "socialist paradigm"? I'm talking about making education better - focus.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    How does this prove anything I've said wrong? You got out and that's supposed to prove the education system in poor areas is amazing?
    Oh I certainly won't call them Amazing. You get what you pay for...they are sufficient, though, to get anyone out of the hood that wants to get out.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You'd be surprised what a little hope does in the hood.
    I lived in the hood so I know this, but people are not clones. Not everyone acts or thinks like you or I. Again your answer is simplistic and takes into account no variables at all other than your anecdotal life experience.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    How does this prove anything I've said wrong? You got out and that's supposed to prove the education system in poor areas is amazing?

    It's also funny that you can never debate people without veering off topic into nonsensical accusations - "socialist paradigm"? I'm talking about making education better - focus.
    No you're not. You're trying to find reasons other than welfare to blame on the perpetuation of poverty. If our social programs work so well, why are there still poor Americans?
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I lived in the hood so I know this, but people are not clones. Not everyone acts or thinks like you or I. Again your answer is simplistic and takes into account no variables at all other than your anecdotal life experience.
    Of course there are variables, I agree. From what I saw personally, however, welfare is the most effective agent in the perpetuation of poverty.

    We could spend all day talking about drugs, mentorship...parenting, etc...but these are mostly symptoms.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Oh I certainly won't call them Amazing. You get what you pay for...they are sufficient, though, to get anyone out of the hood that wants to get out.
    And then we're back where we started. Why don't people want to get out?

    Your answer is social welfare problems. My answer is poverty. Obviously some social welfare problems encourage lack of ambition, which is why I support some version of "workfare" or a time limit on welfare. Nonetheless, social welfare is not the sole, or even the biggest, factor; it's the culture that poverty creates. Some people get out that culture, just like some people in wealthy environments get out of theirs and end up dirt poor. Nonetheless, general rules hold for both cultures and the general rules for people in poverty go far beyond social welfare.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No you're not. You're trying to find reasons other than welfare to blame on the perpetuation of poverty. If our social programs work so well, why are there still poor Americans?
    I think poverty perpetuates itself just fine without social programs. Poverty has existed throughout the whole history of human civilization, with or without social programs.
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