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Thread: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You obviously have no first hand knowledge of poverty. (or at least America's version of poverty). I grew up with people that adamantly refuse to work, becuase the government feeds them. This is a fact of human nature...you can twist it anyway you like, but handouts keep hands out-stretched.
    I do have a firsthand knowledge of poverty. I didn't grow up in it, but I was certainly around it because of my parents' jobs. I know exactly the kind of people you're talking about - the problem is, it's not difficult for me to understand that poverty would still exist without social welfare - you can't see beyond that.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, lack of ambition is caused by social welfare. It is lack of ambition that perpetuates poverty.
    unending poverty perpetuates lack of ambition.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    No other option? I agree to a certain extent that being able to help those in need does make us as a nation great. Unfortunately the fraud, red tape etc make it a wasteful corrupt system that makes people dependent.

    None of the programs are working as intended. As a fall back in case of hard times. People have changed it into something it was never meant to be, a lifestyle.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Our education system in poor communities is a joke. Most education systems in those areas do not adequately address the specific educational needs that poor kids bring with them. The ones that do address those needs tend to educate poor kids better, see Massachusetts revision of its education system. The ones that don't, most of the country, produce the same crap.
    Well, they educated me......and I don't live there anymore. I left school at 15...got a GED and the military paid for my degrees.....

    How's that fit into your coffee shop socialist paradigm?
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    unending poverty perpetuates lack of ambition.
    It is a little of both. Your answer as is Mac's are far to simplistic. No one reason is responsible.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Government handouts DO promote a culture of entitlement and disincentive to work, or to find work.

    On the other hand, sometimes poverty is systemic and thus breeds contempt and hopelessness.

    It's not a one-sided argument.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    unending poverty perpetuates lack of ambition.
    No, it doesn't. The belief that there is no way out of poverty is what you are confusing. (i.e. lack of ambition)
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You obviously have no first hand knowledge of poverty. (or at least America's version of poverty). I grew up with people that adamantly refuse to work, becuase the government feeds them. This is a fact of human nature...you can twist it anyway you like, but handouts keep hands out-stretched.
    i have excruciating knowledge of poverty. i've worked since i was 15, and all 4 of my brothers and sisters are doing just fine. so keep your generalities to yourself.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is a little of both. Your answer as is Mac's are far to simplistic. No one reason is responsible.
    You'd be surprised what a little hope does in the hood.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i have excruciating knowledge of poverty. i've worked since i was 15, and all 4 of my brothers and sisters are doing just fine. so keep your generalities to yourself.
    That wasn't directed at you, so keep your's to yourself.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

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