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Thread: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    No, American was a great country before they were introduced, his statement is ignorant of history.
    His statement didn't make any judgments about American before they were introduced.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    His statement didn't make any judgments about American before they were introduced.
    No idea what you're talking about...
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Disagree...
    Hatred and intolerance cause and permeate poverty
    Interesting choices of words there. Could you explain more? I believe lack of motivation to get out there and fend for yourself is a major reason why poverty is still a problem in this country. People have learned that you don't really have to work because the government is right there for you to be your nanny. No, I'm not talking about people who cannot work.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    only a first class education system and time and overcome man's ills.
    We could have the best education system in the world, but that's not going to take my child's drunk parent and make her care. That's not going to turn off TVs and video games around the world and force kids to play outside. That's not going to stop the reading disabilities handed down from maternal alcohol or drug use.

    People need to change, not government systems.


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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Hatred and intolerance cause and permeate poverty
    no, poverty is the natural state of man. hatred and intolerance have nothing to do with it.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    His statement didn't make any judgments about American before they were introduced.
    actually they do. if you are "not" great without something, then you were "not great" before you had it.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Interesting choices of words there. Could you explain more? I believe lack of motivation to get out there and fend for yourself is a major reason why poverty is still a problem in this country. People have learned that you don't really have to work because the government is right there for you to be your nanny. No, I'm not talking about people who cannot work.

    We could have the best education system in the world, but that's not going to take my child's drunk parent and make her care. That's not going to turn off TVs and video games around the world and force kids to play outside. That's not going to stop the reading disabilities handed down from maternal alcohol or drug use.

    People need to change, not government systems.
    So then what would you suggest to end the poverty problem in this country? On the one hand you say government maintains the problem and on the other you imply that personal problems like drug use and video games are part of the problem. What's your solution?

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually they do. if you are "not" great without something, then you were "not great" before you had it.
    that simple logical concept appears beyond most liberals understanding.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually they do. if you are "not" great without something, then you were "not great" before you had it.
    that's faulty logic CP.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually they do. if you are "not" great without something, then you were "not great" before you had it.
    Actually, we've already been over this.

    He says "we", meaning current Americans/the current United States, would not be great without these programs. He doesn't even mention past Americans.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Disagree...
    Hatred and intolerance cause and permeate poverty....And social welfare cannot overcome this.....only a first class education system and time and overcome man's ills.
    No, lack of ambition is caused by social welfare. It is lack of ambition that perpetuates poverty.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

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