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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Words can change meaning over time depending on use. Fag used to be a bundle of sticks. Gay used to be happy. The words got used differently and changed meanings. If you use it differently now, you're just aiding in the evolution of the word. One can quite easily say "that's gay" or call some asshole a "fag" without insinuating anything about homosexuals. Fag can be changed to mean asshole Harley riders, not homosexuals. Gay can be changed to lame. Language never has been, and never will be, static.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    It's idiotic to fine someone over a word. It is that kind of thing that keeps everyone hollering and being "offended". The only way that a word harms someone is if they let it harm them...or "think" that it will. It is stupid in the extreme.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Words can change meaning over time depending on use. Fag used to be a bundle of sticks. Gay used to be happy. The words got used differently and changed meanings. If you use it differently now, you're just aiding in the evolution of the word. One can quite easily say "that's gay" or call some asshole a "fag" without insinuating anything about homosexuals. Fag can be changed to mean asshole Harley riders, not homosexuals. Gay can be changed to lame. Language never has been, and never will be, static.
    I think we all agree on this "words change" idea - unfortunately faggot is still heavily used as a gay slur and it became associated with the word "lame" because the people who used it associated being gay with being lame. I think it's a little bit ridiculous to say that it doesn't have homophobic connotation to it. If you call Kobe Bryant "lame", he probably won't flip a ****. If you call him a "faggot", he probably will. Why is that?

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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think we all agree on this "words change" idea - unfortunately faggot is still heavily used as a gay slur and it became associated with the word "lame" because the people who used it associated being gay with being lame. I think it's a little bit ridiculous to say that it doesn't have homophobic connotation to it. If you call Kobe Bryant "lame", he probably won't flip a ****. If you call him a "faggot", he probably will. Why is that?
    I seriously doubt that Kobe "the rapist" Bryant would flip out if you called him "faggot".
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think we all agree on this "words change" idea - unfortunately faggot is still heavily used as a gay slur and it became associated with the word "lame" because the people who used it associated being gay with being lame. I think it's a little bit ridiculous to say that it doesn't have homophobic connotation to it. If you call Kobe Bryant "lame", he probably won't flip a ****. If you call him a "faggot", he probably will. Why is that?
    Because he's crazy. People may perceive things as different, but that will most certainly be the case during the unstable period of time under which words evolve their meanings. In fact, one could argue that by insisting that fag has to always refer to gay people and thus people should stop using it that they are in fact stagnating the word and preventing its evolution to a different meaning.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I seriously doubt that Kobe "the rapist" Bryant would flip out if you called him "faggot".
    I imagine he would be more pissed about being called a fag then he would being called lame.

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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because he's crazy. People may perceive things as different, but that will most certainly be the case during the unstable period of time under which words evolve their meanings. In fact, one could argue that by insisting that fag has to always refer to gay people and thus people should stop using it that they are in fact stagnating the word and preventing its evolution to a different meaning.
    I never said it always refers to gay people - British people use it to refer to cigarettes all the time.

    My point is that it's ridiculous to say that the word, used as an insult in the United States, is not tied to homosexuality. Like I said, "acting black" has taken on a life of its own and people use the term to refer to all races - it would just as ridiculous for people to say that since the word is "evolving" it doesn't have a racial connotation.

    You have to ask the question: why do gay and faggot equal lame? Why those words - I imagine (in the U.S.) it had nothing to do with cigarettes and bundles of sticks.

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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You have to ask the question: why do gay and faggot equal lame? Why those words - I imagine (in the U.S.) it had nothing to do with cigarettes and bundles of sticks.
    I don't know, why was Josh always joking around?
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I imagine he would be more pissed about being called a fag then he would being called lame.
    only because he is too stupid to know what "lame" means.

    seriously, I don't know many people, straight or gay, that would flip out if someone called them a faggot. the word has already lost much of its "power". it says more about the person using it than the person it is used against.

    I can recall a time when people flipped out if you called them "bastard" or "bitch", but hardly anyone bats an eye at those terms today.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    The NBA is a private organization and they can sanction their players however they want.

    I can see why they would fine him. Bryant is an image and a product, and gays are part of the consumer demographic. They could justify it as lost revenue.

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