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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

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    I'm just amused that you used the phrase "real like wrestling," that's all. And that boxing is fake. In my opinion it's the other way around.
    It's actually a quote from Futurama that Fry says in relation to the Ultimate Robot Fighting League and if you didn't get it, you should feel great shame.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's actually a quote from Futurama that Fry says in relation to the Ultimate Robot Fighting League and if you didn't get it, you should feel great shame.
    see, I don't watch futurama lol and that's why I didn't get the reference. I feel no shame, sorry.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    see, I don't watch futurama lol and that's why I didn't get the reference. I feel no shame, sorry.
    You should since Futurama is one of the best sci-fi shows ever. But on topic I will say that WWE is well more real than the NBA. Both are rigged to essentially the same degree, but the WWE admits it where as basketball continually tries to pass itself off as a legitimate sport. It's a farce and a waste of broadcast airtime.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    The league is perfectly within its rights to fine Kobe and he should be fined for unsportsmanlike conduct. But the whole idea that because he said "faggot" or whatever makes him a homophobe is silly. I call lame stuff "gay" all the time. I've called someone I thought was an asshole a "fag" once or twice. And I'm don't consider myself a raging homophobe. When I call something gay, I'm not refering to it's sexual preferences, I'm referring to it's high level of lameness. When I call someone a fag, I'm not refering to a man who likes to sleep with other men. I'm referring to an inconsiderate asshole (like guys who ride Harleys!). While homophobes and gay bashers do use those words in a hateful manner to attack gays, most people I know use them in a context that has nothing to do with sexuality.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Then it becomes a question of relative riggedness. Maybe it's just me, but Wrestling has a much greater reputation for being fake compared to boxing.
    as Ikari said, it's a matter of presentation. Wrestling doesn't pretend to be a legitimate sport. Everyone knows and admits it is purely entertainment.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    The league is perfectly within its rights to fine Kobe and he should be fined for unsportsmanlike conduct. But the whole idea that because he said "faggot" or whatever makes him a homophobe is silly. I call lame stuff "gay" all the time. I've called someone I thought was an asshole a "fag" once or twice. And I'm don't consider myself a raging homophobe. When I call something gay, I'm not refering to it's sexual preferences, I'm referring to it's high level of lameness. When I call someone a fag, I'm not refering to a man who likes to sleep with other men. I'm referring to an inconsiderate asshole (like guys who ride Harleys!). While homophobes and gay bashers do use those words in a hateful manner to attack gays, most people I know use them in a context that has nothing to do with sexuality.
    It's not about the context of the a word, it's about the meaning of the word. If I were to see a white person or Asian behaving like an asshole and call them "black" or a nigger, the context obviously shows that I'm not talking down to a black person. However, my use of either term clearly shows that I perceive being black as a negative thing. I'm attaching negative behavior and characteristics to being black.

    When you call someone gay even if they're not and you're not talking down to a gay person, you're still using a word that attaches being gay with negativity.

    Calling someone gay or a faggot is such a powerful insult because the people you're saying it to don't want to be perceived as homosexual. Everyone knows the roots of those terms just like everyone knows that calling someone "black" after doing something negative is a statement about how you perceive black people.

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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's not about the context of the a word, it's about the meaning of the word. If I were to see a white person or Asian behaving like an asshole and call them "black" or a nigger, the context obviously shows that I'm not talking down to a black person. However, my use of either term clearly shows that I perceive being black as a negative thing. I'm attaching negative behavior and characteristics to being black.

    When you call someone gay even if they're not and you're not talking down to a gay person, you're still using a word that attaches being gay with negativity.

    Calling someone gay or a faggot is such a powerful insult because the people you're saying it to don't want to be perceived as homosexual. Everyone knows the roots of those terms just like everyone knows that calling someone "black" after doing something negative is a statement about how you perceive black people.
    Exactly. You totally get it.

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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Exactly. You totally get it.
    Thanks. I used to use the term "gay" as an insult a lot when I was younger, but then as I got older and interacted with gay people more, I thought about it a lot and realized what the problem was - even though I wasn't using it against them.

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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    The use is different. No one calls a random guy who cuts you off in traffic a "spic" or a "sand-nigger", unless perhaps that specific driver fits that specific slur. Almost all ethnic or racial slurs are used exclusively against the targeted race or ethnicity or at most against people engaging in negative behavior that is sterotypically associated with that race or ethnicity. For example, a racist might say someone who is a hard line negotiator "jewed him down on the price". But that racist wouldn't go around caling everyone who annoyed him "a damn kyke!"

    Gay or fag is different. Those words have meanings that are completely independent of one's sexuality. Just like many folks used to think "sucks" was a dirty word with sexual conotations, but now its commonly used to mean something is lame or unsatisfactory. Or how "pussy" refers both to female sex organs and a weak-willed man. Calling your friend a pussy when he backs out of a dare doesn't make you a mysogonist and calling an asshole a fag doesn't make you a homophobe. Is it impolite or crude? Sure, but it doesn't mean the person in question is a hate monger. It's just the way some people talk.

    I'm not saying "faggot" is a word that should be used in polite society. And I understand how some folks could be offended by it, but I also recognize that context matters a lot and you have to take that into account. As with any word.
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    Re: Kobe Bryant Fined $100,000 for gay slur

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    The use is different. No one calls a random guy who cuts you off in traffic a "spic" or a "sand-nigger", unless perhaps that specific driver fits that specific slur. Almost all ethnic or racial slurs are used exclusively against the targeted race or ethnicity or at most against people engaging in negative behavior that is sterotypically associated with that race or ethnicity. For example, a racist might say someone who is a hard line negotiator "jewed him down on the price". But that racist wouldn't go around caling everyone who annoyed him "a damn kyke!"

    Gay or fag is different. Those words have meanings that are completely independent of one's sexuality. Just like many folks used to think "sucks" was a dirty word with sexual conotations, but now its commonly used to mean something is lame or unsatisfactory. Or how "pussy" refers both to female sex organs and a weak-willed man. Calling your friend a pussy when he backs out of a dare doesn't make you a mysogonist and calling an asshole a fag doesn't make you a homophobe. Is it impolite or crude? Sure, but it doesn't mean the person in question is a hate monger. It's just the way some people talk.

    I'm not saying "faggot" is a word that should be used in polite society. And I understand how some folks could be offended by it, but I also recognize that context matters a lot and you have to take that into account. As with any word.
    The use of the term faggot and gay in the mainstream is just an example of how institutionalized they are becoming.

    It's the exact same thing with calling someone of any race "black" or nigger - people use those words as well to denote types of behavior in white people, Asians or anyone. I know a lot of people who are not "racist" as we think of racists, but they say things like "he's acting so black" and they will go to their grave saying "I'm not criticizing black people. I mean, not all black people act black." They don't realize that the term is just institutionalized and that they are, in fact, associating negative behavior with race.

    When you say "that's gay", you're using a term that denotes homosexuality (in the United States) to point to something negative. If that's not the case, then you could just say "that's lame" or "that's stupid" - but you're choosing to say gay.

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