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Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?


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Now, even the GOP leaders are rethinking letting Ryan's idiocy out in public.

It's snowballing the wrong way for them; seniors always vote!
 
see, that's the fundamental breakdown; Obama is trying to win reelection in 2012; Ryan is trying to keep the country from becoming Zimbabwe in 2030.

I'm pretty certain that the Republicans are interested in winning the White House in 2012. Call me crazy, but I think that's kind of a big deal to them.
 
see, that's the fundamental breakdown; Obama is trying to win reelection in 2012; Ryan is trying to keep the country from becoming Zimbabwe in 2030.

:rofl:spin::rofl
 
Ryan's budget if passed and put into law would be the ultimate death panel.

Ryan's budget was actually a gift tor President Obama.

what? the "death panel" idea is How President Obama proposes to solve the deficit!


the President looked like a fool. his Big Idea is to raise taxes..... after he is reelected.... and devolve leadership onto a Commission...... in 2014. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this guy. but even I was truly honestly expecting something. instead we got grandstanding mixed with blaming his predecessor and demagouging his opponents before punting.
 
:rofl:spin::rofl

that's the reality. You don't propose something like what Ryan has put forth for the fun of it - you do it because you're willing to take the heat for what you think is necessary. The President's plan is to start thinking about making the hard decisions that Ryan already has.... after he is reelected.
 
I'm pretty certain that the Republicans are interested in winning the White House in 2012. Call me crazy, but I think that's kind of a big deal to them.

ah. and you think the Ryan budget is part of a brilliantly crafted plan to do that by opening themselves up to Democrat demagoguery and scaring seniors?
 
Now, even the GOP leaders are rethinking letting Ryan's idiocy out in public.

It's snowballing the wrong way for them; seniors always vote!

well that's the risk. seniors are easy to frighten, but if you want to avoid fiscal meltdown...
 
that's the reality. You don't propose something like what Ryan has put forth for the fun of it - you do it because you're willing to take the heat for what you think is necessary. The President's plan is to start thinking about making the hard decisions that Ryan already has.... after he is reelected.

Ryan knows full well it is unpassable. It's just a political stunt to have democrats oppose a big spending cut bill. Thank god it is unpassable since it would have absolutely horrible effects on the country.
 
Ryan knows full well it is unpassable. It's just a political stunt to have democrats oppose a big spending cut bill.

it's a political stunt to hand Democrats a perfectly-crafted weapon to destroy Republicans with in 2012? when all we had to do was put out some meaningless feel-good promise to solve the problem in the future through undefined methods which we will allow someone else to figure out... in the future.... in order to just run on the President's more unpopular measures (obamacare, the bailouts) and win? it's a political stunt designed to make it harder for us to win?

how does that work?

Thank god it is unpassable since it would have absolutely horrible effects on the country.

yeah. can you imagine how horrible it would be if poor people became more financially independent? why, they would depend on government less!
 
it's a political stunt to hand Democrats a perfectly-crafted weapon to destroy Republicans with in 2012? when all we had to do was put out some meaningless feel-good promise to solve the problem in the future through undefined methods which we will allow someone else to figure out... in the future.... in order to just run on the President's more unpopular measures (obamacare, the bailouts) and win? it's a political stunt designed to make it harder for us to win?

how does that work?



yeah. can you imagine how horrible it would be if poor people became more financially independent? why, they would depend on government less!

Yeah, that's it. Lower taxes on a few with higher costs on the rest will solve so many problems. Ryan's plan is idiotic and designed only to pander to those simple minded enough to not actually read it and read the information available on it but who think cutting spending(except the military) is gud.
 
It will pass and cause the democrats and Obama to do something they have been afraid to do since Obama got elected. Come up with a budget of their own. Ryan's budget shows how meaningless the Obama campaign speech was on Wednesday.
 
1. Ryans' plan cuts spending in the DoD
2. taxes aren't lowered on anyone - tax rates are lowered while loopholes are removed; the net result is revenue nuetrality. this is what the bipartisan bowles-simpson commission (that Obama now says he kind of sort of supports) suggested, and Ryan was right to include it
3. cute disparagement of those who disagree with you though. real classy.
 
It will pass and cause the democrats and Obama to do something they have been afraid to do since Obama got elected. Come up with a budget of their own

what makes you think they will feel obligated to become serious?
 
ah. and you think the Ryan budget is part of a brilliantly crafted plan to do that by opening themselves up to Democrat demagoguery and scaring seniors?

Essentially, yes. It's to give them something to run on. It's a political pinata, and it exists for people to whack at it with a stick until the "candy" comes out.

The whole idea is to start with this "ideal plan" and then negotiate down. It's good because the American people voted for a mixed government so that the parties would have to work together to find a good solution. That's the mandate of 2010 -- the message the American voters was sending was not "Yeah, GOP! They're going to save us from certain damnation!" If you or anybody in the leadership thought that, you are dead wrong.

Here's a question for you -- if they were serious about passing this, why haven't they debated it in the House or brought it for a vote yet? That would seem to me the most logical thing to do, since ideas don't become laws until they get passed by the House of Representatives. (there's a couple of other steps, too, but that one is kind of necessary)
 
1. Ryans' plan cuts spending in the DoD
2. taxes aren't lowered on anyone - tax rates are lowered while loopholes are removed; the net result is revenue nuetrality. this is what the bipartisan bowles-simpson commission (that Obama now says he kind of sort of supports) suggested, and Ryan was right to include it
3. cute disparagement of those who disagree with you though. real classy.

1) Ryan's plan cut's DoD spending to the level recommended by the DoD(ie not very much)
2) Revenue neutral by shifting the load from the top end to the lower end
3) Irony, you gots it.
 
It will pass and cause the democrats and Obama to do something they have been afraid to do since Obama got elected. Come up with a budget of their own. Ryan's budget shows how meaningless the Obama class warfare campaign speech was on Wednesday.

Let me correct that for you.
 
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Apparently those who voted no (myself included) are incorrect.

After the Dems little side show, the real Ryan budget plan passed along party lines.

House Approves GOP 2012 Budget on Party-Line Vote - FoxNews.com

On a party-line vote, the House of Representatives passed a Republican 2012 budget proposal which aims to start the country down the path of deficit reduction, but which Democrats warn will gut a vital safety net for seniors.

The House voted 235-193 to approve the plan by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., chairman of the House Budget Committee

Ryan's budget aims to cut $6.2 trillion in spending over 10 years, and reduce the deficit by more than $4 trillion. With $14 trillion in debt already on the books, government spending on the course it stands now aims to add another $6.7 trillion in debt over 10 years.

The House began debate on the measure Thursday with a vote on a Congressional Black Caucus alternative that failed 303-103. Other failed votes included a Congressional Progressive Caucus plan and a Democratic substitute raising taxes on households that earn more than $250,000. That was defeated 166-259.

At one point in the voting, the House barely knocked back a more conservative budget proposed by the Republican Study Committee, after Democrats tried their best to get it passed as a means of killing the Ryan plan.
 
What do you like about it? Have you read the CBO report on it?

I think odds are slightly against it passing in the house in it's current form. Once democrats start pointing out the way the tax cuts are formulated(capping the top rate, but not lowering the lower rates) and the major problems with Medicare(notice that it has to be delayed till 2022 so republicans don't lose the senior vote over it), I think republicans will formulate a different plan. However, it would not surprise me if it did pass. Of course, as pointed out, it will never get past the senate and the president would never sign it, so the point is moot. Conversely, the new plan the president is reportedly working on will never get past the house in the form it is reported on being in.

Apparently those who voted no (myself included) are incorrect.

After the Dems little side show, the real Ryan budget plan passed along party lines.

House Approves GOP 2012 Budget on Party-Line Vote - FoxNews.com

I was wrong, but am not terrible surprised. From the article:

"Spin can't change the fact that (the) Republicans' plan reopens the doughnut hole, costing seniors more than $2 billion next year alone," said Jon Summers, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "No matter what they say, the fact is the GOP wants to finance their tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires by hiking prescription drug prices for seniors."

If that statement is true, this is going to hurt republicans badly.
 
what? the "death panel" idea is How President Obama proposes to solve the deficit!


the President looked like a fool. his Big Idea is to raise taxes..... after he is reelected.... and devolve leadership onto a Commission...... in 2014. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this guy. but even I was truly honestly expecting something. instead we got grandstanding mixed with blaming his predecessor and demagouging his opponents before punting.
Don't get me wrong, I think our debt is a problem. But to be frank, the public couldn't care less about it. Ryan's budget is a gift to Obama's reelection effort. The people love Medicare and Social Security any effort to drastically transform them will be rejected by them.
 
If that statement is true, this is going to hurt republicans badly.

well fortunately the statement is a lie for at least three reasons:

1. the GOP isn't giving tax breaks to anyone in this budget - they reduce tax rates and remove tax loopholes to achieve tax neutrality; just as the Presidents' Bi-Partisan Debt Commission suggested.

2. the GOP Budget doesn't effect Medicare for anyone over the age of 55 (unlike the President's plan, which starts cutting benefits to current seniors)

3. Both the President and the GOP agree that Medicare expenditures have to be lowered in order for the nation to survive fiscally. the difference between the two is that the GOP wants to give future retirees control of their own Medicare dollars so that THEY can decide where and what to cut, whereas the President wants to turn power over to an independent "panel of experts" who would decide what to cut and then impose a one-size-fits-all solution on America's seniors starting next year. So both are looking to reduce Medicare expenditures, and for either to try to demagogue the other for doing so is - at this point - illegitimate.
 
Don't get me wrong, I think our debt is a problem. But to be frank, the public couldn't care less about it. Ryan's budget is a gift to Obama's reelection effort. The people love Medicare and Social Security any effort to drastically transform them will be rejected by them.

yes, that's why claims that this is some kind of political stunt are severely misplaced.
 
Apparently those who voted no (myself included) are incorrect.

After the Dems little side show, the real Ryan budget plan passed along party lines.

House Approves GOP 2012 Budget on Party-Line Vote - FoxNews.com


:D this is my favorite part:

But the vote on the measure — which imposes $5.8 trillion in spending cuts over the next decade — came after a clear sign that at least half of the Republican Caucus supports even tougher spending cuts.


go, Tea Party - hold their feet to the fire and make 'em scream.
 
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I was wrong. I must admit that I actually caught a little bit of the debate on CSPAN, and I like Ryan. He certainly seems like a very smart guy who's got it all together.

I don't like all of his cuts necessarily, but that's the nature of compromise. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
well fortunately the statement is a lie for at least three reasons:

1. the GOP isn't giving tax breaks to anyone in this budget - they reduce tax rates and remove tax loopholes to achieve tax neutrality; just as the Presidents' Bi-Partisan Debt Commission suggested.

So it's not a tax break, it's only a tax cut. Yes, that makes it sound much better.

2. the GOP Budget doesn't effect Medicare for anyone over the age of 55 (unlike the President's plan, which starts cutting benefits to current seniors)

That is why I said if it was true. I do not know for sure, but pardon me if I don't take your word for it. Now, the effect of the plan on those under 55 is dramatic and painful.

3. Both the President and the GOP agree that Medicare expenditures have to be lowered in order for the nation to survive fiscally. the difference between the two is that the GOP wants to give future retirees control of their own Medicare dollars so that THEY can decide where and what to cut, whereas the President wants to turn power over to an independent "panel of experts" who would decide what to cut and then impose a one-size-fits-all solution on America's seniors starting next year. So both are looking to reduce Medicare expenditures, and for either to try to demagogue the other for doing so is - at this point - illegitimate.

No, the difference is that Ryan's plan forces seniors to buy private insurance and gives them money for it. The CBO was absolutely brutal about this. Just because something needs to be done does not mean that this is the right thing to do.
 
yes, that's why claims that this is some kind of political stunt are severely misplaced.

Of course it is a stunt. It cannot get past the senate, and will never be law, and Ryan knows this.
 
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