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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It will pass and cause the democrats and Obama to do something they have been afraid to do since Obama got elected. Come up with a budget of their own. Ryan's budget shows how meaningless the Obama class warfare campaign speech was on Wednesday.
    Let me correct that for you.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Apparently those who voted no (myself included) are incorrect.

    After the Dems little side show, the real Ryan budget plan passed along party lines.

    House Approves GOP 2012 Budget on Party-Line Vote - FoxNews.com

    On a party-line vote, the House of Representatives passed a Republican 2012 budget proposal which aims to start the country down the path of deficit reduction, but which Democrats warn will gut a vital safety net for seniors.

    The House voted 235-193 to approve the plan by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., chairman of the House Budget Committee
    Ryan's budget aims to cut $6.2 trillion in spending over 10 years, and reduce the deficit by more than $4 trillion. With $14 trillion in debt already on the books, government spending on the course it stands now aims to add another $6.7 trillion in debt over 10 years.
    The House began debate on the measure Thursday with a vote on a Congressional Black Caucus alternative that failed 303-103. Other failed votes included a Congressional Progressive Caucus plan and a Democratic substitute raising taxes on households that earn more than $250,000. That was defeated 166-259.

    At one point in the voting, the House barely knocked back a more conservative budget proposed by the Republican Study Committee, after Democrats tried their best to get it passed as a means of killing the Ryan plan.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What do you like about it? Have you read the CBO report on it?

    I think odds are slightly against it passing in the house in it's current form. Once democrats start pointing out the way the tax cuts are formulated(capping the top rate, but not lowering the lower rates) and the major problems with Medicare(notice that it has to be delayed till 2022 so republicans don't lose the senior vote over it), I think republicans will formulate a different plan. However, it would not surprise me if it did pass. Of course, as pointed out, it will never get past the senate and the president would never sign it, so the point is moot. Conversely, the new plan the president is reportedly working on will never get past the house in the form it is reported on being in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Apparently those who voted no (myself included) are incorrect.

    After the Dems little side show, the real Ryan budget plan passed along party lines.

    House Approves GOP 2012 Budget on Party-Line Vote - FoxNews.com
    I was wrong, but am not terrible surprised. From the article:

    "Spin can't change the fact that (the) Republicans' plan reopens the doughnut hole, costing seniors more than $2 billion next year alone," said Jon Summers, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "No matter what they say, the fact is the GOP wants to finance their tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires by hiking prescription drug prices for seniors."
    If that statement is true, this is going to hurt republicans badly.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what? the "death panel" idea is How President Obama proposes to solve the deficit!


    the President looked like a fool. his Big Idea is to raise taxes..... after he is reelected.... and devolve leadership onto a Commission...... in 2014. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this guy. but even I was truly honestly expecting something. instead we got grandstanding mixed with blaming his predecessor and demagouging his opponents before punting.
    Don't get me wrong, I think our debt is a problem. But to be frank, the public couldn't care less about it. Ryan's budget is a gift to Obama's reelection effort. The people love Medicare and Social Security any effort to drastically transform them will be rejected by them.


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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If that statement is true, this is going to hurt republicans badly.
    well fortunately the statement is a lie for at least three reasons:

    1. the GOP isn't giving tax breaks to anyone in this budget - they reduce tax rates and remove tax loopholes to achieve tax neutrality; just as the Presidents' Bi-Partisan Debt Commission suggested.

    2. the GOP Budget doesn't effect Medicare for anyone over the age of 55 (unlike the President's plan, which starts cutting benefits to current seniors)

    3. Both the President and the GOP agree that Medicare expenditures have to be lowered in order for the nation to survive fiscally. the difference between the two is that the GOP wants to give future retirees control of their own Medicare dollars so that THEY can decide where and what to cut, whereas the President wants to turn power over to an independent "panel of experts" who would decide what to cut and then impose a one-size-fits-all solution on America's seniors starting next year. So both are looking to reduce Medicare expenditures, and for either to try to demagogue the other for doing so is - at this point - illegitimate.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I think our debt is a problem. But to be frank, the public couldn't care less about it. Ryan's budget is a gift to Obama's reelection effort. The people love Medicare and Social Security any effort to drastically transform them will be rejected by them.
    yes, that's why claims that this is some kind of political stunt are severely misplaced.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Apparently those who voted no (myself included) are incorrect.

    After the Dems little side show, the real Ryan budget plan passed along party lines.

    House Approves GOP 2012 Budget on Party-Line Vote - FoxNews.com

    this is my favorite part:

    But the vote on the measure — which imposes $5.8 trillion in spending cuts over the next decade — came after a clear sign that at least half of the Republican Caucus supports even tougher spending cuts.


    go, Tea Party - hold their feet to the fire and make 'em scream.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    I was wrong. I must admit that I actually caught a little bit of the debate on CSPAN, and I like Ryan. He certainly seems like a very smart guy who's got it all together.

    I don't like all of his cuts necessarily, but that's the nature of compromise. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well fortunately the statement is a lie for at least three reasons:

    1. the GOP isn't giving tax breaks to anyone in this budget - they reduce tax rates and remove tax loopholes to achieve tax neutrality; just as the Presidents' Bi-Partisan Debt Commission suggested.
    So it's not a tax break, it's only a tax cut. Yes, that makes it sound much better.

    2. the GOP Budget doesn't effect Medicare for anyone over the age of 55 (unlike the President's plan, which starts cutting benefits to current seniors)
    That is why I said if it was true. I do not know for sure, but pardon me if I don't take your word for it. Now, the effect of the plan on those under 55 is dramatic and painful.

    3. Both the President and the GOP agree that Medicare expenditures have to be lowered in order for the nation to survive fiscally. the difference between the two is that the GOP wants to give future retirees control of their own Medicare dollars so that THEY can decide where and what to cut, whereas the President wants to turn power over to an independent "panel of experts" who would decide what to cut and then impose a one-size-fits-all solution on America's seniors starting next year. So both are looking to reduce Medicare expenditures, and for either to try to demagogue the other for doing so is - at this point - illegitimate.
    No, the difference is that Ryan's plan forces seniors to buy private insurance and gives them money for it. The CBO was absolutely brutal about this. Just because something needs to be done does not mean that this is the right thing to do.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes, that's why claims that this is some kind of political stunt are severely misplaced.
    Of course it is a stunt. It cannot get past the senate, and will never be law, and Ryan knows this.
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