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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm pretty certain that the Republicans are interested in winning the White House in 2012. Call me crazy, but I think that's kind of a big deal to them.
    ah. and you think the Ryan budget is part of a brilliantly crafted plan to do that by opening themselves up to Democrat demagoguery and scaring seniors?

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Now, even the GOP leaders are rethinking letting Ryan's idiocy out in public.

    It's snowballing the wrong way for them; seniors always vote!
    well that's the risk. seniors are easy to frighten, but if you want to avoid fiscal meltdown...

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that's the reality. You don't propose something like what Ryan has put forth for the fun of it - you do it because you're willing to take the heat for what you think is necessary. The President's plan is to start thinking about making the hard decisions that Ryan already has.... after he is reelected.
    Ryan knows full well it is unpassable. It's just a political stunt to have democrats oppose a big spending cut bill. Thank god it is unpassable since it would have absolutely horrible effects on the country.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ryan knows full well it is unpassable. It's just a political stunt to have democrats oppose a big spending cut bill.
    it's a political stunt to hand Democrats a perfectly-crafted weapon to destroy Republicans with in 2012? when all we had to do was put out some meaningless feel-good promise to solve the problem in the future through undefined methods which we will allow someone else to figure out... in the future.... in order to just run on the President's more unpopular measures (obamacare, the bailouts) and win? it's a political stunt designed to make it harder for us to win?

    how does that work?

    Thank god it is unpassable since it would have absolutely horrible effects on the country.
    yeah. can you imagine how horrible it would be if poor people became more financially independent? why, they would depend on government less!

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's a political stunt to hand Democrats a perfectly-crafted weapon to destroy Republicans with in 2012? when all we had to do was put out some meaningless feel-good promise to solve the problem in the future through undefined methods which we will allow someone else to figure out... in the future.... in order to just run on the President's more unpopular measures (obamacare, the bailouts) and win? it's a political stunt designed to make it harder for us to win?

    how does that work?



    yeah. can you imagine how horrible it would be if poor people became more financially independent? why, they would depend on government less!
    Yeah, that's it. Lower taxes on a few with higher costs on the rest will solve so many problems. Ryan's plan is idiotic and designed only to pander to those simple minded enough to not actually read it and read the information available on it but who think cutting spending(except the military) is gud.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    It will pass and cause the democrats and Obama to do something they have been afraid to do since Obama got elected. Come up with a budget of their own. Ryan's budget shows how meaningless the Obama campaign speech was on Wednesday.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    1. Ryans' plan cuts spending in the DoD
    2. taxes aren't lowered on anyone - tax rates are lowered while loopholes are removed; the net result is revenue nuetrality. this is what the bipartisan bowles-simpson commission (that Obama now says he kind of sort of supports) suggested, and Ryan was right to include it
    3. cute disparagement of those who disagree with you though. real classy.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It will pass and cause the democrats and Obama to do something they have been afraid to do since Obama got elected. Come up with a budget of their own
    what makes you think they will feel obligated to become serious?

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. and you think the Ryan budget is part of a brilliantly crafted plan to do that by opening themselves up to Democrat demagoguery and scaring seniors?
    Essentially, yes. It's to give them something to run on. It's a political pinata, and it exists for people to whack at it with a stick until the "candy" comes out.

    The whole idea is to start with this "ideal plan" and then negotiate down. It's good because the American people voted for a mixed government so that the parties would have to work together to find a good solution. That's the mandate of 2010 -- the message the American voters was sending was not "Yeah, GOP! They're going to save us from certain damnation!" If you or anybody in the leadership thought that, you are dead wrong.

    Here's a question for you -- if they were serious about passing this, why haven't they debated it in the House or brought it for a vote yet? That would seem to me the most logical thing to do, since ideas don't become laws until they get passed by the House of Representatives. (there's a couple of other steps, too, but that one is kind of necessary)

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. Ryans' plan cuts spending in the DoD
    2. taxes aren't lowered on anyone - tax rates are lowered while loopholes are removed; the net result is revenue nuetrality. this is what the bipartisan bowles-simpson commission (that Obama now says he kind of sort of supports) suggested, and Ryan was right to include it
    3. cute disparagement of those who disagree with you though. real classy.
    1) Ryan's plan cut's DoD spending to the level recommended by the DoD(ie not very much)
    2) Revenue neutral by shifting the load from the top end to the lower end
    3) Irony, you gots it.
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