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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    Just to correct a minor error, but Paul Ryan cited the Debt Commission's proposal to simplify and lower all tax rates if deductions were closed. The mention of the top tax rate was no rate would go beyond that.

    The Medicare stuff will be the real killer. Granted Ryan carved it out in such a manner that protects the Republican's most reliable voting bloc, but I think once Democrats begin attacking how future costs will cripple anyone under 55 that is not rich it will be hard for Republicans to justify the health care approach that they have taken.
    I cannot find that in the proposal. What I find is the top rate is capped at 25 %.

    The CBO report was brutal to his Medicare proposal, and rightly. Even with seniors getting money to buy their insurance with, their costs will skyrocket, as will the costs of every one else.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    The republicans are taking a big risk here, they are going for broke it seems. They are banking on the american people being so dejected over the long recession and the debt and unemployment that they can get through what they never couldnt before...huge cut in the tax rate for the rich and corporations and making the middle and lower class pay more...I believe that the support they had in the very beginning is giving them the impetus to go for broke.What they are forgetting is that people like ME who supported them energetically in the beginning and went to teaparty rallies and donated to them were in because we were stone cold against Obamacare and Bailouts to the GM and Goldman Sachs and AIG. We were not in it to assure the richest americans pay the least as possible and middle class pay the most possible. We didnt support them to attack the working class in every state a teaparty governor won.
    The republicans better take heed that most of the republican party voters are working class middleclass, the richest americans on their own couldnt elect Paul Ryan to cafeteria cashier in a elementary school
    The jury is still out on the teaparty and I will stick my neck out and say the more the average joe republican learns about what they are about the support will start to drop.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The republicans are taking a big risk here, they are going for broke it seems. They are banking on the american people being so dejected over the long recession and the debt and unemployment that they can get through what they never couldnt before...huge cut in the tax rate for the rich and corporations and making the middle and lower class pay more...I believe that the support they had in the very beginning is giving them the impetus to go for broke.What they are forgetting is that people like ME who supported them energetically in the beginning and went to teaparty rallies and donated to them were in because we were stone cold against Obamacare and Bailouts to the GM and Goldman Sachs and AIG. We were not in it to assure the richest americans pay the least as possible and middle class pay the most possible. We didnt support them to attack the working class in every state a teaparty governor won.
    The republicans better take heed that most of the republican party voters are working class middleclass, the richest americans on their own couldnt elect Paul Ryan to cafeteria cashier in a elementary school
    The jury is still out on the teaparty and I will stick my neck out and say the more the average joe republican learns about what they are about the support will start to drop.
    Dayum! Harsh, but not without merit.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Dayum! Harsh, but not without merit.
    Redress it hurts me to go against the republican party...it truly does but you have to be true to yourself and be honest and say what you believe, that does not mean I cant be dead wrong. I think the republican party will not benefit by the teaparty pulling them to the far right. Just like the democrat party got destroyed because of Pelosi and her crew pulling the dems to the far left.
    Americans do not like the extremes and the extreme thats in charge pays the price.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I cannot find that in the proposal. What I find is the top rate is capped at 25 %.

    The CBO report was brutal to his Medicare proposal, and rightly. Even with seniors getting money to buy their insurance with, their costs will skyrocket, as will the costs of every one else.
    Go to page 50 of Ryan's budget plan. He cites using the recommendations of the President's Debt Comission to lower the overall rates for every taxpayer, although he made no mention of it as part of his proposal. From that I made the assumption that is what he would use as a template, though I very well be wrong.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Considering that we almost shut down the government over whether to make a 0.75% cut to the budget, the budget would certainly have an uphill battle. However, one thing that the budget proposal does is restart the conversation about major fiscal policy reform. There has been much talk of reducing the deficit, but when it came time for politicians to make actual risks, like major cuts and entitlement reform, most chose the easy path. The plan is certainly not perfect, but it gets the ball rolling.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    There's no way. The last thing they want is to have it pass and then have it signed. Could you imagine the GOP handing Obama a gift like that in an election year? Me neither.

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The republicans are taking a big risk here, they are going for broke it seems. They are banking on the american people being so dejected over the long recession and the debt and unemployment that they can get through what they never couldnt before...huge cut in the tax rate for the rich and corporations and making the middle and lower class pay more...I believe that the support they had in the very beginning is giving them the impetus to go for broke.What they are forgetting is that people like ME who supported them energetically in the beginning and went to teaparty rallies and donated to them were in because we were stone cold against Obamacare and Bailouts to the GM and Goldman Sachs and AIG. We were not in it to assure the richest americans pay the least as possible and middle class pay the most possible. We didnt support them to attack the working class in every state a teaparty governor won.
    The republicans better take heed that most of the republican party voters are working class middleclass, the richest americans on their own couldnt elect Paul Ryan to cafeteria cashier in a elementary school
    The jury is still out on the teaparty and I will stick my neck out and say the more the average joe republican learns about what they are about the support will start to drop.
    Their support has ALREADY started to drop. What started out as a grass roots movement has turned into a personality cult, hijacked by certified crazies.
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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    They got the Tea Bag vote, so...

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    Re: Will the House ever pass the Ryan budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What do you like about it?
    I like that it turns Medicaid into a block grant (something both party's governors have been asking for)

    I like the way it reforms Medicare. Both sides at this point are saying that Medicare expenditures have to be lowered. Ryan plans to allow the Seniors to pick and choose where their healthcare should be cut, the Presidents' plan is to allow a government commission to decide where cuts should be made, and then impose a one-size-fits-all solution on America's seniors. Reducing expenditures while giving seniors more control strikes me as a better way of mitigating that loss. On that note, I like that it is delayed. The Presidents' plan cuts benefits for those currently on the program; Ryans' effects only those currently 55 and younger; which protects those currently on a fixed income and gives effected retirees time to plan.

    I like that it's realistic about our fiscal situation; we have two choices, drastically cut spending the way we want to, or have it imposed on us by our creditors. The Presidents' Plan seems to be to punt to another commission in the hopes that they will develop a plan... safely after the next election. that's playing with matches while soaked in gasoline and running through a building full of pure oxygen. you may make it through.... but if you miscalculate or cheat too much, everything is going up in flames.

    I like that it reduces rates while also reducing loopholes; just as was suggested by the Presidents' bipartisan Debt Commission. Lately we have discussed ad nauseum thefact that revenues are tied to GDP, not tax rates; and the loss that is found in the complexity of the tax code is enormous - Americans spend more than $330 billion each year just trying to figure out how to comply with our behemoth of a tax code. in addition, the loopholes in it often allow entities that spend enough money on smart tax attorneys to avoid paying taxes alltogether. reducing the rates, but then making them pay it keeps revenue neutral (the first year), while freeing up some (hopefully alot) of that $330 billion to start doing things like investing in new businesses, research, workers. which means that next years' GDP will be higher than it would have been otherwise as a result, and hence, next years' revenues will be as well - at this point it becomes a virtuous cycle, attacking both our unemployment problem and our debt problem simultaneously. Also, 25% strikes me as a decent place to stop taking money frompeople. Even God only asks for 10%.

    Have you read the CBO report on it?
    i've read the summary of it. it strikes me as it always does - because they are tied to a (fallacious) static model, they always overestimate the losses and gains of tax cuts and hikes.

    I think the odds are slightly against it passing in the house in it's current form. Once democrats start pointing out the way the tax cuts are formulated(capping the top rate, but not lowering the lower rates)
    Bowles Simpson lowered all rates - it would indeed be wise if they did the same. But whether they do or don't isn't spelled out, and that is something that should be fixed most ricky-ticky.
    Last edited by cpwill; 04-14-11 at 06:08 AM.

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