View Poll Results: Would you switch?

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  • I live in America and want only government helth care

    1 5.56%
  • I live in America and want government health care with private option

    8 44.44%
  • I live in America and support today's system

    2 11.11%
  • I don't live in America and want only government helth care

    2 11.11%
  • I don't live in America and want government health care with private option

    4 22.22%
  • I don't live in America and want the American health care system

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Thread: Would you switch health care system?

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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    To be honest captain I have strong feelings about people without health care...I feel for them, any human being who has excellent coverage knows how good it is to be able to go to a dr whenever you dont feel good OR more importantly bring your kids when they are sick. Anyone that runs around saying everyone should pay for their own healthcare is a callous unrealistic individual in my opinion...you cannot pay for your own health insurance on small business pay or walmart or kmart pay either.
    The health care issue is so convoluted and divided ideologically I doubt there will be any resolution in the rest of the time I have here on earth. Clearly something has to be done.
    I agree with you... to a point. I work as a provider in the health care industry and deal with this issue every day. Far too often, people cannot get the health care they need either because of inadequate coverage or because private insurance companies deny them the usage of the coverage that they have. However, I also think that an individual has a responsibility to, at the very least, make choices to assist with their health care. If a government option is available, and one CHOOSES to opt out of it, if they then get ill and have a problem paying, I have no sympathy for them. They had an option to have assistance and refused.
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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree with you... to a point. I work as a provider in the health care industry and deal with this issue every day. Far too often, people cannot get the health care they need either because of inadequate coverage or because private insurance companies deny them the usage of the coverage that they have. However, I also think that an individual has a responsibility to, at the very least, make choices to assist with their health care. If a government option is available, and one CHOOSES to opt out of it, if they then get ill and have a problem paying, I have no sympathy for them. They had an option to have assistance and refused.
    I am so fortunate and so has my family been all my working life ive had excellent health coverage, Ive never experienced the problems ive read others have had with health insurers refusing treatment etc. The biggest issue ive had to deal with and its been just lately has been my insurer balking at paying for some of the "NEWEST drugs on the market that have been prescribed.

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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    This topic annoys me to such a great deal.
    Let's get an understanding of what insurance is supposed to be first.

    "In law and economics, insurance is a form of risk management primarily used to hedge against the risk of a contingent, uncertain loss."

    Insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Does anyone buy homeowners insurance because they expect their house to burn down once a year?
    Does anyone expect the homeowners insurance company to pay for paint, insulation, new siding, any other thing related to maintaining a home?

    No.

    Go back to the definition of insurance and read it very very carefully.

    You cannot insure against something that is going to happen and it be cheap.
    Regular medications, annual physicals, regular visits for colds and the flu, pregnancy among all the other things, cannot be insured against.

    So what happens, insurance goes up to crazy heights.

    Add in all the federal and state mandates on insurance and what people are allowed to pay out of pocket and the price keeps going up and up.

    The government (both state and federal) created this problem and now so many of us look to them to solve it.
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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This topic annoys me to such a great deal.
    Let's get an understanding of what insurance is supposed to be first.

    "In law and economics, insurance is a form of risk management primarily used to hedge against the risk of a contingent, uncertain loss."

    Insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Does anyone buy homeowners insurance because they expect their house to burn down once a year?
    Does anyone expect the homeowners insurance company to pay for paint, insulation, new siding, any other thing related to maintaining a home?

    No.

    Go back to the definition of insurance and read it very very carefully.

    You cannot insure against something that is going to happen and it be cheap.
    Regular medications, annual physicals, regular visits for colds and the flu, pregnancy among all the other things, cannot be insured against.

    So what happens, insurance goes up to crazy heights.

    Add in all the federal and state mandates on insurance and what people are allowed to pay out of pocket and the price keeps going up and up.

    The government (both state and federal) created this problem and now so many of us look to them to solve it.
    Ok..then maybe health insurance shouldnt be a for profit business, since your dealing with lives and quality of life, the cost would drop like a rock

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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ok..then maybe health insurance shouldnt be a for profit business, since your dealing with lives and quality of life, the cost would drop like a rock
    A lot of the insurance market was non profit before WW2 and then the moronic wage freezes that companies were put under gave birth to what we have now.
    That is were the modern form of employer provided insurance came from.

    All the not for profits, fee for service and hospital plans got dumped in favor of the employer based model.

    Before all this nonsense, medical care was affordable out of pocket for regular everyday things.
    The profit end of it is really minor compared to the problems with the doctors guild, insurance lobby and many other groups.
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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    If anyone is seriously interested in perusing this subject, the wiki article on the history of medical insurance shows us, a potentially wicked awesome free market medical care system was available, before it got the death blow by the government.

    History of insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A lot of the insurance market was non profit before WW2 and then the moronic wage freezes that companies were put under gave birth to what we have now.
    That is were the modern form of employer provided insurance came from.

    All the not for profits, fee for service and hospital plans got dumped in favor of the employer based model.

    Before all this nonsense, medical care was affordable out of pocket for regular everyday things.
    The profit end of it is really minor compared to the problems with the doctors guild, insurance lobby and many other groups.

    Harry back then WW2 and shortly after you didnt have the tests or medicine you have today and lets face it the average worker made 16 bucks a week and rent was 20bucks or less and you could go on a date for nickle or a dime....the costs went up for everything.
    There are still not for profit hospitals there is one right in my county. I disagree that the profit end is minor...its actually huge.

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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Other: I live in America and want a deregulated medical system.

    The other options are merely gimmicks and/or fallacies of a single cause.
    bingo. where's the "i live in America and would like to get rid of Obamacare and move away from an employer-provided-insurance" option?

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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ok..then maybe health insurance shouldnt be a for profit business, since your dealing with lives and quality of life, the cost would drop like a rock
    yeah. why, can you imagine the horror if health insurance only cost as much as auto or life insurance?

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    Re: Would you switch health care system?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    bingo. where's the "i live in America and would like to get rid of Obamacare and move away from an employer-provided-insurance" option?
    This is one of the most difficult topics to discuss because of the pure ignorance, political string pulling and bias within medical care.

    I've spent at least a 100 hours or more researching this in detail, to come to my conclusions.
    But people love their silver bullet solutions, even when they put no real thought into it.
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