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  • Case 1: reincarnation for current Medicare/Medicaid recipients

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  • Case 2: reincarnation with single payer

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  • Support reincarnation for private recipients

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  • Restrict available procedures for public healthcare recipients, based on financial feasibility

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Thread: Reincarnation

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    Reincarnation

    Hypothetical: Doctors have perfected a new procedure whereby people can be reincarnated by the transfer of their consciousness and memories and neuronal maps, by God, into a cloned human body, aged 21 years old. Huzzah!

    The collective advice of the AMA is that this procedure be done when people are aged 65. It costs $1,000,000.

    Assumptions are that their are no new babies born any longer, so the population eligible for this procedure remains constant. There is no inflation. GDP is fixed.

    Case 1: current Medicare/Medicaid recipients are eligible, but everyone else has to get the procedure done with the assistance of their private insurance company. Forgetting about funding for the private insurance companies, we have 50,000,000 on the Medicare/Medicaid rolls. At $1 million each, that's $769,230,769,230 per year or rounded to $770 billion per year. This is 20% of the federal budget, and would kick the total federal budget from 25% to 30%.

    Case 2: single payer is instituted and all 300 million (hypothetical??) people are covered. That's $4.62 trillion per year. This is 123% of the federal budget, and would kick the total federal budget from 25% to 55%.

    Which case should be funded publicly? Are there limits to which medical procedures to offer publicly covered healthcare recipients, for financial affordability reasons? Private healthcare insurance recipients? How do we decide the financially feasible procedures?

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    Re: Reincarnation

    Why would anybody even want that? Death is as natural as breathing and pooping.

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    Re: Reincarnation

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why would anybody even want that? Death is as natural as breathing and pooping.
    who wouldnt want to be immoral enternity, Immortal for forever baby
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    Re: Reincarnation

    Just play EVE online and become a pod pilot.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Reincarnation

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Just play EVE online and become a pod pilot.
    If you don't keep your clone updated, you could lose the ability to fly all those nifty t2 ships.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Reincarnation

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you don't keep your clone updated, you could lose the ability to fly all those nifty t2 ships.
    Thankfully I've only ever played the 14-day trial...i wasn't prepared to waste money and have my life and academic career destroyed by MMOs. But if you like to be reincarnated, and are willing to pay a fee, that's the way to go.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Reincarnation

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Thankfully I've only ever played the 14-day trial...i wasn't prepared to waste money and have my life and academic career destroyed by MMOs. But if you like to be reincarnated, and are willing to pay fee, that's the way to go.
    I have much shame, for I've played on and off since launch.
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    Re: Reincarnation

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Hypothetical: Doctors have perfected a new procedure whereby people can be reincarnated by the transfer of their consciousness and memories and neuronal maps, by God, into a cloned human body, aged 21 years old. Huzzah!

    The collective advice of the AMA is that this procedure be done when people are aged 65. It costs $1,000,000.

    Assumptions are that their are no new babies born any longer, so the population eligible for this procedure remains constant. There is no inflation. GDP is fixed.

    Case 1: current Medicare/Medicaid recipients are eligible, but everyone else has to get the procedure done with the assistance of their private insurance company. Forgetting about funding for the private insurance companies, we have 50,000,000 on the Medicare/Medicaid rolls. At $1 million each, that's $769,230,769,230 per year or rounded to $770 billion per year. This is 20% of the federal budget, and would kick the total federal budget from 25% to 30%.

    Case 2: single payer is instituted and all 300 million (hypothetical??) people are covered. That's $4.62 trillion per year. This is 123% of the federal budget, and would kick the total federal budget from 25% to 55%.

    Which case should be funded publicly? Are there limits to which medical procedures to offer publicly covered healthcare recipients, for financial affordability reasons? Private healthcare insurance recipients? How do we decide the financially feasible procedures?
    Bleh, I don't think anyone should be able to live forever. Also, it seems like you are saying everybody would need this procedure once a year. I don't follow that.

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    Re: Reincarnation

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Bleh, I don't think anyone should be able to live forever. Also, it seems like you are saying everybody would need this procedure once a year. I don't follow that.
    No, every 65 years, for the number of people specified, at $1 million each. I divide that total by 65 years to get the yearly cost. Figure an even distribution of people get it done each year. (i.e from Case 1: 50,000,000 people spread out over 65 years or 769,231 people per year at a cost of $770 billion per year).
    Last edited by reefedjib; 04-12-11 at 12:14 AM.

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    Re: Reincarnation

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    who wouldnt want to be immoral enternity, Immortal for forever baby
    I really just want to do it the way it happens. My dying makes way for advancement. When the time comes.

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