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The Tea Party Is.....

What is the Tea Party to America?

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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Even if we were to entertain your logic, using your numbers -- of the 68 blacks who proportionally should be in Congress, 7 should be Republican (10%) and 61 should be Democrat (90%); all things being proportional. Republicans, with just 2 in Congress, represent just 29% of their burder while Democrats with 40, represent 66% of theirs. And again, that is only thanks to this past election where 2 blacks managed to get elected as Republicans. Prior to the 2008 election, the Republican share was zero percent. So no, Republicans are still more racist. Perhaps that's why blacks gravitate to the Democrat party.
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Actually, if only 5% of blacks are Republicans roughly 3-4 should be black Republicans. You accuse Republicans of being a racist party because only 2 Republicans are black, yet it's proportional to the 40 black Democrats. If Republicans are racist by this standard, than Democrats are also racist for not having 61 black Democrats.

Racism cannot be proved by demographics but by actions, the Republican party is not racist. There is no platform that says "whites are the superior race" nor do they kick out minorities. Your accusations are based on your desired opinion and not based on fact.
 
SheWolf said:
Have you found a way to protect life without growing government and giving the government authority over a doctor when helping a women decide if abortion is safer for her in terms of protecting her own health and life?
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How many abortions are performed to protect the health and life of the mother?
 
A brain is a sexy thing :)

Barbbtx said:
Very few racist signs there. The hitler signs are more wide spread in liberal protests against Bush and the anti-walker protests more recently.
Talking about slavery as in white slaves I don't find particularly racist. Beside the niggar sign, show me one that was definately racist and not just anti-socialist or anti-communist?
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Amazed said:
Nope, it was legitimate response, NOBODY can go on sending more than they make forever..
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And again you are trying to assign positions to me I do not have. When you are ready to debate what I actually say, get back to me.
 
CriticalThought said:
Why does it matter that the Tea Party is mostly dissatisfied white people? Why does it matter that it is a movement of white people?
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You are insulting black conservatives by calling it a white movement.
 
Ahhh yes, your entire response consisted of denigration...."too simplistic"...it's convenient for you to fixate on the periferals.



Redress said:
And again you are trying to assign positions to me I do not have. When you are ready to debate what I actually say, get back to me.
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CriticalThought said:
You have a token black guy! Cool!
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Guess you didn't bother watching it. Are you also the type who would insult black conservatives by calling them oreos, porch monkeys, house n***ers, traiters, etc.
My guess is you are, since you insult this one by calling him a token. Do you think black conservatives don't have a mind of their own and would allow themselves to be a "token"?
 
Amazed said:
Ahhh yes, your entire response consisted of denigration...."too simplistic"...it's convenient for you to fixate on the periferals.
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When you try and equate the federal government and economic policy with a single person, you cannot complain when it is pointed out you are showing a simplistic view.
 
I just think they really wanted more of a rainbow organization. That gives more legitimacy to a national organization Have there been any black tea party members complain" Why oh why wouldn't they want black people? They don't like the music?
 
CriticalThought said:
I'm only pointing it out because of how funny their reaction is to it. They seriously have a problem with belonging to a mostly white group and I'm not sure why.
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Because we know the tea party is no more racist than the boyscouts of america or the democratic party. Saying it is a mostly white group is the same thing as saying it is a racist group. Why else say it?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You insist on lying and incorrectly callin me an extreme right winger. So why the hell not.:shrug:


Btw. Got a brand new contract, worth a hell of a lot of money... Best part I replace 30 union guys with my shop. Great day. :mrgreen:
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I'm sorry, bro. I try to be forthright here, and I would peg your general lean as far right. Maybe we have different definitions, but as far as I have seen you don't disagree with any of the usual far right positions on issues. And I haven't seen you give even a nod to the concerns voiced by the liberals here so that may be where your rep comes from.

Just sayin.
 
Barbbtx said:
Very few racist signs there. The hitler signs are more wide spread in liberal protests against Bush and the anti-walker protests more recently.
Talking about slavery as in white slaves I don't find particularly racist. Beside the niggar sign, show me one that was definately racist and not just anti-socialist or anti-communist?
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Besides the niggar sign?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

"And other than that one moment, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?"
 
SheWolf said:
It is mostly white... pointing that out isn't racist. Are you uncomfortable with people pointing out that is mostly white?
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No it isn't racist it is race baiting.
The democratic party is mostly white, so why point out the tea party is mostly white if it's not race baiting?
 
CriticalThought said:
ROFL! Poverty rates equate to all of those things. The fact is you have no measure for how bad things were before for blacks, you only have your anecdotal experience of how bad they are now.

Here is the site I grabbed it from.

Poverty in America – black poverty issues | America's North Shore Journal
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Rates are at near historical lows, but appear to be edging upward, advancing from 37% to 40% in the last eight years. It is the people who are in permanent poverty, the core, that ought to worry Americans. The data appears to suggest that despite some of the best economies of the last several generations, a group of Blacks failed to benefit from the successes. Single family households seem to be at the center of this, accounting for nearly 2/3 of those in core poverty.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Dude, 89% of the tea party is white. Less than 5% is black. That means in a crowd of 20 tea partiers, maybe one of them will be black. Furthermore, these videos exist to demonstrate to the world that the tea party is not completely white. This guy wasn't videoed becasue of his opinion, he was videoed becasue of the color of his skin. By definition, when the tea party uses someone in that fashioin they are using them as a token.
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Still didn't watch the video did you? Again, you are insulting the black people who do belong to the tea party. You are more or less saying they are idiots to belong to a group that the left insists on labeling as racist or "mostly white". You sir, are the one who is placing importance on skin color. Your side likes to video the tea party showing only white faces. So if someone wants to go out of their way to interview blacks, I have no problem with it.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The Tea Party's motivation was to revitalize the Republican party which appeared DOA by 2008. After losing the House and Senate in 2006 and the White House in 2008; receiving the lion's share of the blame for the financial meltdown, and having George Bush as the head of the party for 8 years, it appeared as though Democrats would be in charge for the foreseeable future. Conservatives and Republicans did a masterful job of creating a grass-roots movement to run against Democrats as non-Republican Republicans. Between Republicans reinventing themselves and Democrats failing to manage the economy, Republicans have breathed new life into a flailing party.
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And the supposed hidden religious agenda is...where again?

The 'Tea Party' as a political entity has been consistent. The message has consistently been for more efficient government and for fiscal responsibility. Frankly...those that hate the Tea party...thats OK...your world...your right...but until you put up ANYTHING by way of an effective message for changing the current financial trainwreck engineered by both parties in congress...you are just as culpable. And maybe worse.
 
CriticalThought said:
Dude, 89% of the tea party is white. Less than 5% is black. That means in a crowd of 20 tea partiers, maybe one of them will be black. Furthermore, these videos exist to demonstrate to the world that the tea party is not completely white. This guy wasn't videoed becasue of his opinion, he was videoed becasue of the color of his skin. By definition, when the tea party uses someone in that fashioin they are using them as a token.
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I think it more likely that the reporter singled that minority person out because he was a minority. That doesn't make it a conscious effort by a loosely structured entity with no centralized authority to "play a token."
 
Zyphlin said:
Please indicate which candidates in those elections from a party that was likely to actually have a shot at winning the seat would've been a better choice for them to endorse based on their views?
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Christine O'Donnell?
 
CriticalThought said:
I haven't argued even once in this thread that the tea party is racist or even racially motivated. All I have done is point out that the tea party is mostly dissatisfied white people and a movement consisting mostly of white people. I have no problem with that fact, but a lot of the tea party people in this thread are uber defensive about the fact that they belong to a group that is mostly white.

Furthermore, when you provide a video that the sole purpose of using a black person because they are black then that is using them as a token. Every adverstiser does the same thing to attract more people of more diverstiy. I have not ascribed any label of racism to it.

The fun here is that simply by mentioning race next to "tea party" calls up a defensive reaction, regardless of whether anyone makes any accusations of racism.
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The anti-war movement is mostly angry white people who think we have no business in Iraq or Afganista. Now the angry white people are really upset now that we are sticking our noses in other places. Code-pink is a bunch of angry white women. What a bunch of racists and sexists.
 
I am not going to read 500+ posts.

So, my take on the Tea Party movement.

I think it was at one point, may still be, and could in the future be a positive influence (depending on how you define positive, of course) on the USA.

However, the individuals and various groups containing those individuals that make up the "Tea Party Movement" must be careful to avoid being co-opted by people who do not agree with them, or who agree with them in part but also have positions they would disagree with (such as some social aspects)...

IF, and I repeat IF, the "Tea Party" is focused mainly on getting spending levels reduced, then I wholly support that aspect, provided they don't take it too far.

Of course, my definition of “too far” is probably far different that some.

The basic issue I see preventing spending cuts is that people don’t want to give up the safety nets and support structure that cost the government so much, even in part.

Personally, I think some peripheral programs should be cut, along with reduced funding and streamlining for the more central ones
I also think that in many cases some programs were unneeded when they were started…the problem being that now people have come to expect and/or depend on such programs.

This, as I understand it, is the major battle/debate/issue that faces the current congress, if they are serious about spending cuts.
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In my perfect world, we would never have any deficit spending…Instead, funds would be cut from less important areas if a need in one area arose.
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A bit off topic there, perhaps.

Assuming the Tea party doesn't go too far into the social issues field, but rather sticks with the spending cuts area, I will have little issue with them, and in general will consider them a positive force.
 
CriticalThought said:
I haven't argued even once in this thread that the tea party is racist or even racially motivated. All I have done is point out that the tea party is mostly dissatisfied white people and a movement consisting mostly of white people. I have no problem with that fact, but a lot of the tea party people in this thread are uber defensive about the fact that they belong to a group that is mostly white.

Furthermore, when you provide a video that the sole purpose of using a black person because they are black then that is using them as a token. Every adverstiser does the same thing to attract more people of more diverstiy. I have not ascribed any label of racism to it.

The fun here is that simply by mentioning race next to "tea party" calls up a defensive reaction, regardless of whether anyone makes any accusations of racism.
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Still didn't watch the video I see.
 
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