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The Tea Party Is.....

What is the Tea Party to America?


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But are you all against reigning in the debt?

Me personally, no, I am not against it, but not by the methods of the Tea Party, who seem to feel that it is something easy to do. It's not, and it's not something we should do all at once.
 
the unborn is the living. I dont see which side of the womb as a reason for "you don't count".

And people are never going to stop getting abortions, it's best to make it so that the living don't die due to improper abortions.
 
So the Anti-War movement is actually the Anti-War, Pro Environmentalism, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Choice movement since some of the candidates it supported in 2006 talked about those things as well?

Wow, I didn't realize when someone yelled "No blood for oil" they were really going "No blood for oil, no assult rifles for citizens, no chopping down a tree, no restricting a womans right to snuff out that mistake she made!"

Phew, who knew they could pack so much into a simple 4 word slogan.

The anti-war movement is largely a liberal movement and there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
 
I don't consider the living human inside the womb the equivelant to a wart. I think we have a long long way to go, and I am all for changing society before government. but I can't in good conscious not take a stand against this holocost of the unborn. :shrug:

I don't think it's a wart either... but I think outlawing abortion just creates more problems
 
And? Around 90% of African Americans vote Democrat. Most of them probably don't have a major problem with how the Democrats are spending and raising the debt. Why would they protest? 6.2% of California's population is black. Does that mean the state of California is racist because they have a low population of African Americans? Having a low percentage of African Americans does not mean that it is due to Tea Party racism. I believe it's largely due to political beliefs and political affiliation. The Tea Party doesn't turn down blacks. Actions are what make a group racist, not demographics.

I believe that the liberal media may use the one guy with a semi-racist sign as a token. They plant racists into the Tea Party and try to use them to enforce their fabricated lie that the Tea Party is racist, those are dishonest tokens. I think it's racist to say that a black member of the Tea Party is just a "token." You de-legitimize their beliefs and individuality based on their race when you do that.

I haven't argued even once in this thread that the tea party is racist or even racially motivated. All I have done is point out that the tea party is mostly dissatisfied white people and a movement consisting mostly of white people. I have no problem with that fact, but a lot of the tea party people in this thread are uber defensive about the fact that they belong to a group that is mostly white.

Furthermore, when you provide a video that the sole purpose of using a black person because they are black then that is using them as a token. Every adverstiser does the same thing to attract more people of more diverstiy. I have not ascribed any label of racism to it.

The fun here is that simply by mentioning race next to "tea party" calls up a defensive reaction, regardless of whether anyone makes any accusations of racism.
 
Me personally, no, I am not against it, but not by the methods of the Tea Party, who seem to feel that it is something easy to do. It's not, and it's not something we should do all at once.



I think when you have a people pushing for something, you have to be extreme before the government will act in your interests. :shrug:
 
I don't think it's a wart either... but I think outlawing abortion just creates more problems



I see your point which is why I say we have to change societies perceptives, that said, I cant stand by and say nothing of the slaughter.
 
So the Anti-War movement is actually the Anti-War, Pro Environmentalism, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Choice movement since some of the candidates it supported in 2006 talked about those things as well?

Wow, I didn't realize when someone yelled "No blood for oil" they were really going "No blood for oil, no assult rifles for citizens, no chopping down a tree, no restricting a womans right to snuff out that mistake she made!"

Phew, who knew they could pack so much into a simple 4 word slogan.

The anti war movement is all of those things in general, they are just radically anti war...
 
Right, and the body inside the woman, is a living human being. Tell me how killing that baby is pro-libertarian?

Perfectly valid argument. We simply remove the fetus body from the mother's body. That way we are respecting property rights.
 
Perfectly valid argument. We simply remove the fetus body from the mother's body.




depriving the child of its most sacred liberty its life. FAIL.



Also the anti-tea party mouthfoamers love to call it a rich movement, Shocked no ones tried that retrread yet.
 
The Tea Party is a movement against expanding government and federal spending. Since most of those that feed off welfare are minorities its serves to reason that most Tea Partiers are White since its counter productive to protest the government to take away your income.

Welfare receiptients by and large are a group of disatisfied non-white people.
 
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the unborn is the living. I dont see which side of the womb as a reason for "you don't count".

They are living... and so are people when their families decide to turn off their life support systems. I don't think that that should be illegal either...

The fact is, the unborn does not suffer any more than that once walking, breathing person did before they were on life support, when their support system is turned off. The only people suffering from abortion are pro lifers...
 
I just love it when one True Believer libertarian tells another True Believer libertarian that they are not really libertarian.

from the rev

Also the anti-tea party mouthfoamers love to call it a rich movement

throwing out your own strawmen now.... impressive.
 
I haven't argued even once in this thread that the tea party is racist or even racially motivated. All I have done is point out that the tea party is mostly dissatisfied white people and a movement consisting mostly of white people. I have no problem with that fact, but a lot of the tea party people in this thread are uber defensive about the fact that they belong to a group that is mostly white.

Furthermore, when you provide a video that the sole purpose of using a black person because they are black then that is using them as a token. Every adverstiser does the same thing to attract more people of more diverstiy. I have not ascribed any label of racism to it.

The fun here is that simply by mentioning race next to "tea party" calls up a defensive reaction, regardless of whether anyone makes any accusations of racism.

People have a problem with that because many will imply that majority white=racist.

My video was made to ask African Americans what they thought about Olberman's comments regarding African Americans and the Tea Party. It wasn't made to say "look a black guy! We aren't racist."
 
depriving the child of its most sacred liberty its life. FAIL.

Whatever. You are not a libertarian, you are a social conservative. Liberty is choice. The only choice we would have with our own lives is whether or not we live them. As such, I am in favor of euthanasia and suicide. As far as abortion, I think we simply need to relabel it "eviction" and make sure the fetus is removed intact so as to respect property rights.

Also the anti-tea party mouthfoamers love to call it a rich movement, Shocked no ones tried that retrread yet.

Given your uber defensive reactions to everything anyone says about your precious movement, all I would have to say is that it has a lot of rich people in it and I'm sure I would get an earfull.
 
That's not what I was saying, I fully acknowledge that the tea party is mainly an economic movement, but the people the tea party backed, are social conservatives, and that there is a large segment of the tea party that is socially conservative, and that needs to be acknowledged. Especially the candidates, because they are going to be voting on things other than economic issues.

Well yes, when discussing a candidate one should look at the whole of their platform, not just one segment of it that caters to a specific group.

That said, its as relevant to an indepth discussion of the tea party movement as talking about the anti-war movements stance on carbon emmissions is when talking about that movement.
 
The anti-war movement is largely a liberal movement and there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.

And the tea party movement is a largely conservative movement. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.

The issue is when you start talking about specific portiosn of it. The Anti-war movement isn't about environmentalism, and the Tea Party movement isn't about social conservatism.
 
They are living... and so are people when their families decide to turn off their life support systems. I don't think that that should be illegal either...


that requires a DNR, or brain death.



The fact is, the unborn does not suffer any more than that once walking, breathing person did before they were on life support, when their support system is turned off. The only people suffering from abortion are pro lifers...

3rd trimester? 2nd trimester?
 
Whatever. You are not a libertarian, you are a socail conservative. Liberty is choice. The only choice we would have with our own lives is whether or not we live them. As such, I am in favor of euthanasia and suicide. As far as abortion, I think we simply need to relable it "eviction" and make sure the fetus is removed intact so as to respect property rights.

So all libertarians must be pro-choice? If I am incorrect please correct me, but doesn't libertarianism support maximizing personal liberty? If someone believes that an unborn child has the right to life and they believe that it's an encroachment on that unborn child's liberty to electively kill it how is that against libertarian principals?
 
People have a problem with that because many will imply that majority white=racist.

Mostly tea partiers seems to make the association of white=racist. Rev won't even admit that he belongs to a movement comprised mostly of dissatisfied white people.

My video was made to ask African Americans what they thought about Olberman's comments regarding African Americans and the Tea Party. It wasn't made to say "look a black guy! We aren't racist."

Really? You are going to stick with that line of reasoning? Okey dokes.
 
Whatever. You are not a libertarian, you are a social conservative.

Thats the lie you love to repeat. :shrug:



Liberty is choice. The only choice we would have with our own lives is whether or not we live them. As such, I am in favor of euthanasia and suicide. As far as abortion, I think we simply need to relabel it "eviction" and make sure the fetus is removed intact so as to respect property rights.



Well at least your moms was anti-abortion no? :roll:


Given your uber defensive reactions to everything anyone says about your precious movement, all I would have to say is that it has a lot of rich people in it and I'm sure I would get an earfull.


Just curious, do you think its a rich movement or not.
 
So all libertarians must be pro-choice? If I am incorrect please correct me, but doesn't libertarianism support maximizing personal liberty? If someone believes that an unborn child has the right to life and they believe that it's an encroachment on that unborn child's liberty to electively kill it how is that against libertarian principals?



I'd like for him to quote the LP.org's website the libertarian stance on abortion.
 
I haven't argued even once in this thread that the tea party is racist or even racially motivated. All I have done is point out that the tea party is mostly dissatisfied white people and a movement consisting mostly of white people. I have no problem with that fact, but a lot of the tea party people in this thread are uber defensive about the fact that they belong to a group that is mostly white.

Furthermore, when you provide a video that the sole purpose of using a black person because they are black then that is using them as a token. Every adverstiser does the same thing to attract more people of more diverstiy. I have not ascribed any label of racism to it.

The fun here is that simply by mentioning race next to "tea party" calls up a defensive reaction, regardless of whether anyone makes any accusations of racism.

Colbert isn't racist. He has a black friend!

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