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    42 48.84%
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    2 2.33%
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    24 27.91%
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    2 2.33%
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    5 5.81%
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

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    i mean the voting, redress.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    rand paul is a social conservative?
    He's on the radio right now. He is considering a run for president.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Its hard to really nail it down, and I'll give you that. Going back to my "don't give a crap what people want to imply" attitude, I'll make the comparison that I'm sure some of the more hyper partisan liberals will love to grab onto and take far more literally.

    Its set up similar to a terrorist network.

    In general the large majority of Tea Partiers are built upon the notion of the "Contract From America" and its the closest to a universally held set of beliefs amongst all the various groups from a national to local level. There may be additions or tweaks here or there, but by and large those 10 things are universally held.

    From there, you have over arching national groups, though even those aren't necessarily directly connected and consistent. They are less of direct figure heads as they are the strands that help connect the various local organizations. At this level the general core message remains relatively consistent across the board, with little variation and addition between the different groups.

    As you move down from there into the smaller and more local tea parties you begin to see slightly more personal flavor on them. Tea Parties in Rhode Island may take a far more Libertarian appearance while ones in Arizona may look much more like a stereotypical Paleoconservative entity. Issues that are a bit more important to those local groups may begin to crop into their views or whats important to them based on the leadership or the membership at that lowest level. However, this individualizing tends to be something that doesn't translate up the chain or between various cells.

    So individual localized Tea Parties act relatively independent, almost as unique entities, however are bound together by the commonlaities that they all share, generally through the connection to one or more of the national organizations, which are based off of the ideals of the Contract from America.

    So it possible for a variety of localized Tea Parties to have a more social bend to them? Sure. There's also the possiblity for some to have absolutely zero social bend. Or a more miltaristic bend to them. Or hell a liberal social bend. But when talking about the organization as a whole, as the loose but connected entity that exists across the nation, one would need to look at what the binding message, purpose, and principles are and those are firmly and primarily rooted in Fiscal and Governmental conservative principles and issues.

    To taking "football club" a step further. I really liked setting it up, and I manage to make it a nation wide thing with clubs springing up all over, mostly in cities with a football team, that is loosely tied together at a national level. At the national level we help facilitate clubs getting together for road teams to watch the game and argue with the home team or a forum where members can interact with each other. And other random national type things.

    Now locally, clubs may differ a bit. The Football Club in Detroit may be less enthusiastic and small because, well, the Lions. The Football Club in Washington may have some members interested in checking out other sports but it isn't a big deal in the club because they live, eat, and breath Redskins. Meanwhile the Football Club in Atlanta may find it very important to do events where people can see Braves games as well because Baseball is important to their members even if its not directly important to the club. On the flip side, the Tennesse Football Club may have absolutely no care what so ever about Baseball because they don't have a team so their members are really not that interested in it.

    So on the local level, the amount of additional interest or care shown to other sports may vary. But when you look at it as a whole, and from a macro level, the Football Club is still a club about Football, Football Fans, and watching Football. On a national level, it has no care nor thought about Baseball. It has no problems with its members liking baseball, or even some liking baseball just as much as football, but the Clubs focus as a whole is completely removed from any thoughts of Baseball.
    I think this is a good assessment and accounts for a lot of the differences that many people see in tea parties. Many people here will bring in their individual experiences and hold that as a better information source than the marketing or what others tell them. I know it is certainly true for me. The tea party in my area is basically a southern holiness church revival (with all of the same political talk that goes on in those types of churches) more than anything else, for example. However, that mixed message, is at the same time relevant and irrelevant, depending on what aspect of this movement we focus on in whatever discussion.

    For example, I may bring up a point and someone (say Rev) will bring up a counter point, but based on your description, we are both accurate (if factually based), even if our points contradict each other. Because Rev may be talking about the head of the elephant and I am talking about the foot. I think this is largely what goes on (except for the racism charge, I have become convinced that its not a motivating factor at any level)
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post

    However, times are a changin'. I believe blacks are finally waking up and more and more will become conservatives. Herman Cain and Alan West are tea party favorites. I don't know how that could happen if the TP is racist.
    Republicans and Conservatives (who typically vote Republican) have elected only 5 blacks to Congress since Congress has had 535 members; 2 of whom have served just 3 months. I'm not saying the Tea Party is racist, though I believe some members are just as some members of most groups are racist, but face it -- Blacks, with the exception of 5 out of thousands, don't get elected as Republicans.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I really believe you believe that is the case, but the reality is that it is a religous movement. That will become more apparant in the years to come.
    What? There are quite a few members of the Tea Party that are religious, but it's not a religious movement. Do you think Tea Partiers are trying to create a theocracy or something?


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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    In the 60's the American negro people, led by Elijah Muhammad, wanted three of the southern states for their homeland - independant nation for Negros. Elijah was to be their King and Cassius Clay would be the President. This is factual. The negro people will never be happy until they are given a homeland in the USA. Racism will always play a major role in American society.

    There is no more racist country on earth than the United States. Americans are just too blind and ignorant to see it.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I don't know what grasp of history you have, but the Tea Party didn't form until after Obama was elected and primarily as a response to his health care reform. I don't know why you guys keep trying to rewrite history and pretend that it began before Obama was elected.
    The actual label "the tea party" happened after Obama was elected, but the same people who are angry at Obama were angry at Bush. It escalated after Obama was elected, of course, since he's farther left than Bush.


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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Republicans and Conservatives (who typically vote Republican) have elected only 5 blacks to Congress since Congress has had 535 members; 2 of whom have served just 3 months. I'm not saying the Tea Party is racist, though I believe some members are just as some members of most groups are racist, but face it -- Blacks, with the exception of 5 out of thousands, don't get elected as Republicans.
    Is that a problem? Does this make Republicans or Conservatives racist? Can you look past the fact that 90% of African Americans are Democrats and that maybe with the 10% who isn't only very few would run for public office as Republicans?


    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon View Post
    In the 60's the American negro people, led by Elijah Muhammad, wanted three of the southern states for their homeland - independant nation for Negros. Elijah was to be their King and Cassius Clay would be the President. This is factual. The negro people will never be happy until they are given a homeland in the USA. Racism will always play a major role in American society.

    There is no more racist country on earth than the United States. Americans are just too blind and ignorant to see it.
    Americans are racist because we don't secede states to become an African nation? What about Liberia? Why can't blacks call USA their homeland along with whites, Asians, Latinos, and any other race group? I think you are too blind to see that America is not the racist country on earth, and that we are a very diverse nation with equality as a central principal that is enshrined in our governing document (the Constitution).
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Is that a problem? Does this make Republicans or Conservatives racist? Can you look past the fact that 90% of African Americans are Democrats and that maybe with the 10% who isn't only very few would run for public office as Republicans?
    And......why does it matter how many blacks or whites or hispanics are voted into office? What should matter is their character, their policies and their plans for our country. You'd think, anyway.


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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    And......why does it matter how many blacks or whites or hispanics are voted into office? What should matter is their character, their policies and their plans for our country. You'd think, anyway.
    I agree, what I think would be truly racist is having someone voted into office because of their race or to have them run with a party label because of race as well.
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