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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    There is an element of racism in AMERICA, so it follows that your assertion is blatently obvious; and ultimately meaningless.


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    Perhaps, I too think it is fairly obvious, which makes me wonder why such effort to deny it. But because the birth population is so high in the Tea Party, one has to wonder what motivates that as it cannot be reason or real questions. So, asking the question is hardly out of bounds. Stating you know the answer might be.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Roughly 1 in every 17 white people are on welfare compared to 1 in every 4 for blacks and 1 in every 5 for hispanics.
    Where did you get these statistics, because they aren't accurate.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Perhaps, I too think it is fairly obvious, which makes me wonder why such effort to deny it. But because the birth population is so high in the Tea Party, one has to wonder what motivates that as it cannot be reason or real questions. So, asking the question is hardly out of bounds. Stating you know the answer might be.
    Unfortunately it is the loud mouths that make it to the 5 O'Clock news hour. I am a member of the Tea Party in that I support them, and the message. I've met countless TP goer's and I am yet to meet anyone that has even mentioned an ideological position that is to the detriment of any particular race. It make me laugh, and sad that there are people out there that REALLY do believe that the TP is a bunch of racist bigots looking to keep the black man down, or latino, or whatever. It simply isn't so..


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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So why do you suppose that black people typically vote Democrat?
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So why do you suppose that black people typically vote Democrat?
    Far from a simple thing to answer.

    First and foremost likely family ties. Most casual political observers gain their initial feeling towards politics from their parents. Many voting age black people of today either lived during the Civil Rights movement or are childrens of members of the Civil Rights movement. In the time following that many of these individuals gravitated to support for the Democratic Party and thus in part out of loyalty/grattitude on the part of those living during it and in part based on history and family for the children, they continue voting that way.

    Secondly, the majority of largely black political organizations in the country are left leaning in nature. This means blacks attempting to get involved with politics and identifying closely with their race are more likely to be brought into it from a liberal view point. This also helps establish the image, rightly or wrongly, that the Democrats cares about "black issues" while the Republicans do not. For casual voters, which makes up the majority of any race, this appearance could be enough to sway someone significantly.

    Thirdly, as I pointed out in another post, unfortunantly for the black community a higher percentage of their people tend to utilize various entitlement programs that are typically championed by the left and condemned by the right. As such, human nature leads one to generally look more positively on things that helps oneself. That's not to say such a thing is right or wrong. But in general, if you're recieving some kind of social service you're more apt to view it as a good and necessary thing than someone who is not.

    Fourthly, again as I pointed out with the Tea Party, image means a lot for casual voters. The Democratic Party is simply portrayed, rightly or wrongly, as the party for black people. Its similar to how they're portrayed similarly as the party for homosexuals, yet have had homosexuals in recent years say how the Democrats are simply using them by not dealing with many of their issues and just banking on them not voting Republican. The Democrats are viewed as the party move looking out for Black people, and thus its more likely that someone with little political knowledge will go that way because they believe that party is more in touch with the things they feel is important.

    Fifthly, the different ideologies. Conservatism, though it doesn't always show it on a board like this, generally abhors a victim mentality. The belief that things are stacked against you so you deserve things to be balanced either equal or into your favor due to that. As such you don't normally see as many prominent Republican groups pushing say "Black" issues or "Woman" issues because often they simply see things as "Issues". This big tent, we're all the same, approach has its benefits and negatives but one of those negatives is it takes away the notion of identity grouping. While some argue its a bad thing, and at times I agree, it can also be a powerful one. Humans in many ways are hardwired to want to form into groups, cliques, societies, etc. Part of how humans do that is by identifying similarities, and race can be a powerful similarity. By forgoing the use of that as a form of recruitment you improve your message of generalized equality but you hinder yourself with the use of recruitment based on identity.

    So, in general summary, my thoughts....

    1) The after affects of the civil rights era
    2) The prominence of left leaning black political organizations
    3) The higher reliance on services supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans
    4) The perception, right or wrong, that the Democrats are more in touch with issues important to blacks
    5) Conservative ideology making identity based recruitment less frequent than on the opposite side

    I think all those things largely play into why many of the majority of the African American population tends to vote Democrat.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Truthfully, blind leading the blind
    Interesting. You don't think it could have anything to do with the fact that Democrats embrace bottom up economic policies and Republicans favor trickle down economic policies and as black folk tend to be more impoverished, they favor Democratic policies out of self interest? Perhaps the fact that the tea party is 89% white is indicative of the socioeconomic realities of the tea party's composition and it represents a segment of the population that is not nearly as impoverished and thus is more likely out of self interest to support trickle down policies?

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Where did you get these statistics, because they aren't accurate.
    The numbers that keep coming up when I search is from 2006 (haven't found anything more recent) that there are roughly 29.9 million welfare recipients. Of that whites make up 39%, blacks 38%, and hispanics 17%. That comes out to 11,661,000 for whites. 11,362,000 for Blacks. And 5,083,000 for hispanics.

    Now the make up of the US from what I've found has roughly 196.8 million whites, a bit under 39 million blacks, and 26.7 million hispanics.

    Now, dividing the total population of each race with the numbers of that race on welfare, we come out with how many individuals per grouping is on welfare. Which in this case is roughly 1:17 white, 1:4 black, and 1:5 hispanic.

    Since you apparently believe them to be inaccurate that seems to imply you have some kind of different figures. What numbers do you have?

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Far from a simple thing to answer.

    First and foremost likely family ties. Most casual political observers gain their initial feeling towards politics from their parents. Many voting age black people of today either lived during the Civil Rights movement or are childrens of members of the Civil Rights movement. In the time following that many of these individuals gravitated to support for the Democratic Party and thus in part out of loyalty/grattitude on the part of those living during it and in part based on history and family for the children, they continue voting that way.

    Secondly, the majority of largely black political organizations in the country are left leaning in nature. This means blacks attempting to get involved with politics and identifying closely with their race are more likely to be brought into it from a liberal view point. This also helps establish the image, rightly or wrongly, that the Democrats cares about "black issues" while the Republicans do not. For casual voters, which makes up the majority of any race, this appearance could be enough to sway someone significantly.

    Thirdly, as I pointed out in another post, unfortunantly for the black community a higher percentage of their people tend to utilize various entitlement programs that are typically championed by the left and condemned by the right. As such, human nature leads one to generally look more positively on things that helps oneself. That's not to say such a thing is right or wrong. But in general, if you're recieving some kind of social service you're more apt to view it as a good and necessary thing than someone who is not.

    Fourthly, again as I pointed out with the Tea Party, image means a lot for casual voters. The Democratic Party is simply portrayed, rightly or wrongly, as the party for black people. Its similar to how they're portrayed similarly as the party for homosexuals, yet have had homosexuals in recent years say how the Democrats are simply using them by not dealing with many of their issues and just banking on them not voting Republican. The Democrats are viewed as the party move looking out for Black people, and thus its more likely that someone with little political knowledge will go that way because they believe that party is more in touch with the things they feel is important.

    Fifthly, the different ideologies. Conservatism, though it doesn't always show it on a board like this, generally abhors a victim mentality. The belief that things are stacked against you so you deserve things to be balanced either equal or into your favor due to that. As such you don't normally see as many prominent Republican groups pushing say "Black" issues or "Woman" issues because often they simply see things as "Issues". This big tent, we're all the same, approach has its benefits and negatives but one of those negatives is it takes away the notion of identity grouping. While some argue its a bad thing, and at times I agree, it can also be a powerful one. Humans in many ways are hardwired to want to form into groups, cliques, societies, etc. Part of how humans do that is by identifying similarities, and race can be a powerful similarity. By forgoing the use of that as a form of recruitment you improve your message of generalized equality but you hinder yourself with the use of recruitment based on identity.

    So, in general summary, my thoughts....

    1) The after affects of the civil rights era
    2) The prominence of left leaning black political organizations
    3) The higher reliance on services supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans
    4) The perception, right or wrong, that the Democrats are more in touch with issues important to blacks
    5) Conservative ideology making identity based recruitment less frequent than on the opposite side

    I think all those things largely play into why many of the majority of the African American population tends to vote Democrat.
    Two of the best political posts (In a row even) that I have seen on these forums for a while now!


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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Interesting. You don't think it could have anything to do with the fact that Democrats embrace bottom up economic policies and Republicans favor trickle down economic policies and as black folk tend to be more impoverished, they favor Democratic policies out of self interest? Perhaps the fact that the tea party is 89% white is indicative of the socioeconomic realities of the tea party's composition and it represents a segment of the population that is not nearly as impoverished and thus is more likely out of self interest to support trickle down policies?

    First law of libertarianism, "Cui bono?"

    The truth is democrats use blacks for votes just like they cultivate illegal immigration for votes.
    Most all the major predominantly minority cities in this country have been run and controlled by democrats for decades and the plight of the citizens living there has not only not improved but has gotten worse...Democrats sell lip service to minority issues for effect but in actuality dont do squat. Throwing billions at giveaway programs to employ democrats has failed and failed miserably...be honest for once and look at all the results

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Now, dividing the total population of each race with the numbers of that race on welfare, we come out with how many individuals per grouping is on welfare. Which in this case is roughly 1:17 white, 1:4 black, and 1:5 hispanic.
    That makes more sense. I didn't know you had already accounted for racial breakdown.

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