View Poll Results: What is the Tea Party to America?

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  • Good!

    42 48.84%
  • Good but Looney

    6 6.98%
  • Neutral.... no harm and no good

    2 2.33%
  • Negative and Looney

    24 27.91%
  • Flat out Disgusting!

    2 2.33%
  • People that are Very secure financially that dont understand reality!

    5 5.81%
  • I make love to the Papaya!

    5 5.81%
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, but since you're using cute expressions from youth let me reach back there as well.

    You have a square and you have a rectangle.

    The Rectange is the Tea Party. The Square is a Social Conservative Tea Party Member.

    All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. It is entirely possible to be part of the rectangle without being part of the square. And just because a square can be a rectangle doesn't mean that it'd be accurate ot call the Rectangular "square" in shape.
    This sounds like a job for venn diagrams!

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    I think it's a natural and good part of American politics. I also say the same about left-wing populism. I don't care for them very much as a group, but as individuals, they are good-intentioned every day citizens who may be a little too....wet behind the ears for their own good.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, but since you're using cute expressions from youth let me reach back there as well.

    You have a square and you have a rectangle.

    The Rectange is the Tea Party. The Square is a Social Conservative Tea Party Member.

    All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. It is entirely possible to be part of the rectangle without being part of the square. And just because a square can be a rectangle doesn't mean that it'd be accurate ot call the Rectangular "square" in shape.
    except in this case there appears to be a very large overlap if not outright similarity.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You can't change your mind once you make a reproductive decision either... abortion, adoption, or carry. Carry you can change, but only up to a certain time frame.
    Sure you can, up to a certain time frame after its already occur. You don't have that time frame once you put your kidney in someone.

    Using birthcontrol is explicitly stating it's not invited...
    No, its saying its not completely wanted, but it is invited unless birth control has a 100% chance. Essentially, you're acknowledging the CHANCE that it may occur and you may invite it but are choosing to take that chance. I can't blame them, I take that chance routinely.

    These "keep your legs closed" arguments have no bearing on the rights or liberty aspect of this debate.
    Sure it does. You're engaging in an activity that has the chance to allow your body to become attached to another living organism. Its entirely your choice to engage in such an act or take such a risk.

    I am a grown woman. If I chose to have sex with my husband, that's my damn business.
    Absolutely true. And if you have a child, then its reasonable under libertarian philosophy to potentially view the protection of said child as a state interest.

    The government should absolutely have no role in shaming me for having an organism.
    No, but its perfectly acceptable under libertarian ideology for the government to have a role in protecting said organism.

    The keep your legs closed argument sounds more like punishing and shaming a female for having sex, more then it's about protecting life...
    That's to you. Thankfully, not all arguments are based on what you believe them to be.

    You see... you're just explaining your personal POV of sex and how sexual behavior should be. That doesn't mean I'll ever agree with you, because I won't. Acknowledging some risk exists, is not the same as accepting that risk... That's how it everything is in life.
    Really? Because much of what I said ISN'T my personal POV of sex, but rather me being intellectually honest, honestly viewing the other sides views without immedietely just decrying them as the most henious spin of them possible, and arguing that its ridiculous to suggest its unlibertarian to oppose abortion.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really? I wasn't talking about Black Minorities. Go look at my statement. It was absolutely clear. I said minorities. That was it. You were the one that seemingly took me making a factual statement about a group and deciding that it warranted a comment about racism. Odd how that can happen to people, no?
    You're comment was wrong on many levels and not just race... As I said before, the TP is not attacking welfare nor are they the only people opposed to able bodied people collecting welfare. Welfare is not mentioned in their mission statement... they have no plan to eliminate it.

    Furthermore, saying that minorities are the majority of welfare receivers would be different if they were receiving more than whites. Whites receive a lot of welfare, more than any other racial group. You have to add up the minorities so whites appear to be receiving welfare less...

    I found you comment to be misleading.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This sounds like a job for venn diagrams!
    As we can clearly see, some of zyphlin is pie, but not all of him


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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    I think there is little doubt that the tea party is a right wing movement. this supports that statement

    Adopting Tea Party Positions Could Be Risky for GOP at Senator Tea Party – Jim DeMint

    Consistent with the findings of other studies of Tea Party supporters, the evidence from the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that strong Tea Party supporters were disproportionately white (90%), male (57%), older (57% over the age of 50) and more affluent (40% had family incomes over $75,000) than other Americans. Seventy-five percent of strong Tea Party supporters compared with 32% of the overall public identified with or leaned toward the Republican Party. Almost half of all Republican identifiers and leaners were strong Tea Party supporters.

    There were striking differences between the political views of strong Tea Party supporters and those of other Americans. Seventy-five percent of strong Tea Party supporters described themselves as very or somewhat conservative vs. 35% of the entire public, 80% opposed stricter gun control laws vs. 46% of the entire public, 77% favored ending “birthright citizenship” for children of immigrants vs. 47% of the entire public, and 73% felt that most government regulations to protect consumers and the environment were unnecessary vs. 32% of the entire public. On every issue included in the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, strong Tea Party supporters were far more conservative than the overall public. Moreover, they were remarkably consistent in their conservative views. Forty-seven percent of strong Tea Party supporters took consistently conservative positions on the issues of gun control, birthright citizenship, government regulation, and health care repeal compared with only 15% of the entire public. Seventy-five percent of strong Tea Party supporters took the conservative side on at least three of these four issues compared with only 32% of the entire public.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    see the bold.. if that were true, they'd support Romney
    did you miss the thread recently where, when Tea Partiers were polled who they felt has the best chance to beat Obama, Romeny was the one that got the most votes?

    We have no clue who the Tea Party is definitely going to support in the upcoming election. One potential reason to not support Romney however is fear that he'd actually endorse something like he did with health care in massachusetts despite his comments, which would hardly fall in line with what the Tea Party is about based on the Contract From America.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sure you can, up to a certain time frame after its already occur. You don't have that time frame once you put your kidney in someone.



    No, its saying its not completely wanted, but it is invited unless birth control has a 100% chance. Essentially, you're acknowledging the CHANCE that it may occur and you may invite it but are choosing to take that chance. I can't blame them, I take that chance routinely.



    Sure it does. You're engaging in an activity that has the chance to allow your body to become attached to another living organism. Its entirely your choice to engage in such an act or take such a risk.



    Absolutely true. And if you have a child, then its reasonable under libertarian philosophy to potentially view the protection of said child as a state interest.



    No, but its perfectly acceptable under libertarian ideology for the government to have a role in protecting said organism.



    That's to you. Thankfully, not all arguments are based on what you believe them to be.



    Really? Because much of what I said ISN'T my personal POV of sex, but rather me being intellectually honest, honestly viewing the other sides views without immedietely just decrying them as the most henious spin of them possible, and arguing that its ridiculous to suggest its unlibertarian to oppose abortion.
    I am being honest about about sex and behavior also... I have had sex before, and I didn't consent to become pregnant and I didn't become pregnant. You think I should FEEL differently about that, and it's not gonna happen... Consenting to sex isn't the same as consenting to being pregnant.

    If everybody FELT that way, there wouldn't be abortion at all...

    Teenagers have sex and they don't even know what it means to be pregnant or to have a baby... Minors can't fully consent to anything nor can the mentally impaired... that is contract law. Also a contract is void if the person making the contract didn't have full knowledge of the contract or know what they were consenting to...

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You're comment was wrong on many levels and not just race... As I said before, the TP is not attacking welfare nor are they the only people opposed to able bodied people collecting welfare. Welfare is not mentioned in their mission statement... they have no plan to eliminate it.
    Nope, they are however for fiscal conservatism and smaller government which could make Welfare a potential target.

    Furthermore, saying that minorities are the majority of welfare receivers would be different if they were receiving more than whites. Whites receive a lot of welfare, more than any other racial group. You have to add up the minorities so whites appear to be receiving welfare less...
    Minorities are recieving more welfare money than whites. Whites recieve more than any INDIVIDUAL minority. But I didn't say an individual minority, I said minorities as in plural.

    I found you comment to be misleading.
    Actually, from your very first comment on it, you seemed to find my comment racist or at least racial with an implication of racism.

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