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    24 27.91%
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You can believe that, but not before you believe that an individual's rights are supreme.
    But if you think the child has rights equal to any other individual its a matter of whose rights should be defended more.

    That would all be solved by just giving them citizenship.
    If everyone thought the way you do, yes.

    I think it is better to deport them.
    Doesn't change the fact that you apparently think, based on libertarianism, it should be perfectly legal to murder them. You may not prefer that option, but you seem to think that it should be perfectly legal.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, they as INDIVIDUALS want social ones as well. However, that doesn't mean the Tea Party wants social condiditons met.

    Yes, most of their candidates are socially conservative. That is because most of their candidates are conservative and conservatives tend to, more often than not, be conservative Socially as well as Fiscally, Governmentally and Militarily. That doesn't mean that the Tea Party supports those candidates for any reason other than their Fiscal stances.

    You can't get behind the Tea Party because most of the people strongly pushing the Tea Party's kind of fiscal conservatism also push some form of Social Conservatism. That's fine. That's a legitimate stance to take. That doesn't mean the Tea Party is a Socially Conservative entity.
    The teaparty has no roots in social conservatism, it was spawned directly from economic conservatism...as you said there is individuals that are socially conservative but the teaparty is a fiscal conservative movement primarily

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    However, if you someone else needs an organ and you offer to give them your kidney you can't 3 months later once its in them go "wait, no, I changed my mind. My Body, My Choice! Give me back my kidney! You have no rights to it".
    You can't change your mind once you make a reproductive decision either... abortion, adoption, or carry. Carry you can change, but only up to a certain time frame.

    Which, for those that are pro-life and view the fetus as a child with full rights as anyone else, that's what you're essentially doing. By engaging in sex that results in the conception of a child you are essentially inviting that child to use part of your body. If you don't want to send that invitation don't engage in the paperwork, in this case the sex.
    Using birthcontrol is explicitly stating it's not invited... Having an abortion, is saying it's not invited. These "keep your legs closed" arguments have no bearing on the rights or liberty aspect of this debate. I am a grown woman. If I chose to have sex with my husband, that's my damn business. The government should absolutely have no role in shaming me for having an organism.

    The keep your legs closed argument sounds more like punishing and shaming a female for having sex, more then it's about protecting life...

    If there was a registry to give away kidneys and you signed up it wouldn't garauntee your kidney is picked. You could even protect yourself a bit by saying specifics like only to children to try and steer who and where its given out. You might have your name on that list for months or years and never be picked. Or you could by be picked the very first day you got on that list. But once you're picked and your kidney is in someone else, your ability to have a say over it is gone.
    Not every woman's womb can guarantee a baby a life either... she could miscarry, but that isn't stopping the pro life movement from trying to see that every woman at least tries. This would be like requiring every single citizen to be an organ and tissue donor.

    That's essentially how they'd be viewing sex. You can have sex, but know the consequences. You can have safe sex, and it will reduce your chances, but know the chance is still there. But if that chance happens and you get pregnant, you're knowingly engaging in it with knowledge that pregnancy results in you accepting a child inside you and that child has rights.
    You see... you're just explaining your personal POV of sex and how sexual behavior should be. That doesn't mean I'll ever agree with you, because I won't. Acknowledging some risk exists, is not the same as accepting that risk... That's how it everything is in life.

    If you don't lock your house or car and thief comes and steals the contents, the police still investigate it as a robbery... The police doesn't ask if it was locked, then say, "well, you didn't lock it up, so you invited the thief. No robbery here. Have a good day."

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    There was a large segment of the anti-war movement who were socialist and communist. yet that is not talked about. The majority of democrats don't support gay marriage, does that mean whenever we talk about any democrat we should bring up the fact that most democrats are anti-gay marriage?


    It's a leap.
    Got any data to back that up?
    Also on the democratic majority being against SSM? I wouldn't be surprised but I've never heard about that.

    I think it is brought up with regarding the tea party is because that it is new, and people want to understand it, know there views about everything. I personally think it's short-sided to vote for a candidate based on one issue alone, like I would never vote for a candidate that is for SSM, and against the 1st amendment, even though SSM probably the biggest political issue I care about. So that is why I want to know what the members of the tea party think on other issues, and I think it is valid to ask those questions.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So if the unborn child can survive outside of the womb, you support only its extracation where it lives?


    who pays for the care of this infant?
    Shouldn't the pro life government pay for it, since they are supposed to protect it's life?

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not saying its insulting, or dehumanizing. But its his attempt to imply that it is something other than a child who would have rights.



    How am I being emotional? I'm not even arguing a position I hold, as I am not one that believes with certainty that the child/fetus within the womb should be considered a child with the full rights as any other from the moment of conception. But I am pointing out the ridiculousness of deeming one a libertarian or not based on their abortion views by looking at it only through ones own narrow view of what is or isn't a viable way to view the organism growing inside the woman at the time.



    Absolutely rue. However, as was shown recently with the essentiall/non-essential government worker debate, while there are not just various definitions for words but various uses for such words. Typically, in the abortion debate, many people use "fetus" when simultaneously arguing that it has no rights while many people use "child" when simultaneously arguing that it does have rights and thus why I used the language I used when responding to his argument that was doing the former....using the word fetus while sumultaneously arguing that it has no rights.
    Saying it's a fetus is no different from saying a toddler is a toddler instead of a child... Nothing is wrong with saying fetus. It denotes to the developmental stage. People need to seriously get over semantics.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

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    There was a large segment of the anti-war movement who were socialist and communist. yet that is not talked about.
    1) I would love to examine the data on that - lets see it
    2) what constitutes "large segment"?
    3) you and others on the far right seem to have no trouble talking about it so the allegation - baseless or otherwise - is hardly being kept a state secret
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Don't we have enough threads about abortion already? Do we really need to turn other threads into abortion threads?
    Yes, but I think we found something out about the TP by discussing abortion in this thread... and that is that the majority of people supporting the TP are socially conservative, and many of the Libertarians in the thread are not siding with most of those TPers.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, they as INDIVIDUALS want social ones as well. However, that doesn't mean the Tea Party wants social condiditons met.

    Yes, most of their candidates are socially conservative. That is because most of their candidates are conservative and conservatives tend to, more often than not, be conservative Socially as well as Fiscally, Governmentally and Militarily. That doesn't mean that the Tea Party supports those candidates for any reason other than their Fiscal stances.

    You can't get behind the Tea Party because most of the people strongly pushing the Tea Party's kind of fiscal conservatism also push some form of Social Conservatism. That's fine. That's a legitimate stance to take. That doesn't mean the Tea Party is a Socially Conservative entity.
    see the bold.. if that were true, they'd support Romney

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So if it walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, and flies like a duck and looks like a duck, you are saying it might be NOT a duck?
    No, but since you're using cute expressions from youth let me reach back there as well.

    You have a square and you have a rectangle.

    The Rectange is the Tea Party. The Square is a Social Conservative Tea Party Member.

    All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. It is entirely possible to be part of the rectangle without being part of the square. And just because a square can be a rectangle doesn't mean that it'd be accurate ot call the Rectangular "square" in shape.

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