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    24 27.91%
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Thread: The Tea Party Is.....

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    He said fetus... fetus is not insulting, and is objective. Calling it a fetus isn't dehumanizing it, insulting, etc.
    I'm not saying its insulting, or dehumanizing. But its his attempt to imply that it is something other than a child who would have rights.

    Fetus refers to a stage of development... it is not an antonym of child. You're not being objective, and you're *gasp* being emotional, which I think is hilarious since you accused me of it for mentioning rape before. I find you highly emotional in the abortion debate.
    How am I being emotional? I'm not even arguing a position I hold, as I am not one that believes with certainty that the child/fetus within the womb should be considered a child with the full rights as any other from the moment of conception. But I am pointing out the ridiculousness of deeming one a libertarian or not based on their abortion views by looking at it only through ones own narrow view of what is or isn't a viable way to view the organism growing inside the woman at the time.

    Child is a noun... and child can refer to any of those developmental stages.
    Absolutely rue. However, as was shown recently with the essentiall/non-essential government worker debate, while there are not just various definitions for words but various uses for such words. Typically, in the abortion debate, many people use "fetus" when simultaneously arguing that it has no rights while many people use "child" when simultaneously arguing that it does have rights and thus why I used the language I used when responding to his argument that was doing the former....using the word fetus while sumultaneously arguing that it has no rights.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You started as soon as you jumped into this conversation.


    My part in this conversation is about the social conservatism present in the tea party, that is all. Anyone calling the tea party racist is ignorant, sure there are racist in the tea party, but there are racist in alot of groups that aren't racist.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But it is a focus of the members of the tea party, and candidates they have backed.
    As is environmentalism, gun control, and pro-choice for members of the Anti-War Movement. But again, I did not see people suggesting those things HAD to be discussed whenever there was talk of the Anti-War movement, individuals backed by the Anti-War Movement, etc.

    There is a difference between something that is a focus of members of a group and a focus OF THE GROUP.

    For example, this thread is asking what the "Tea party" is not what "the Tea Party Membership" is

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If they have a visa, then they are here legally and are protected by our Constitution.

    If they are here illegally, then they are not here legally and they are not protected by our Constitution.

    Don't think I can make it much more clear.
    So you think a libertarian should not be in favor of the Governemnt making killing an illegal immigrant murder?

    IE...I'm saying to you "fetus" = "child with full rights" to these people and thus "abortion" = "murder". Your response is that the fetus isn't a citizen so he doesn't have right to life so its not murder and it shouldn't be illegal to kill them.

    Therefore...

    Would it stand to reason that Illegal Immigrants = Not a citizen and therefore similarly they don't have a right to life so its not murder and it shouldn't be illegal to kill them.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So if the unborn child can survive outside of the womb, you support only its extracation where it lives?


    who pays for the care of this infant?
    For as long as it lives it is the responsibility of the parents to pay for it. Far greater incentive for parents to abort before the fetus develops lungs that way.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    What is the neocon view on people being foreign and tried in America again? Lots of them outright support torture, though the constitution bans it. They argue that foreigners aren't protected under the constitution, right? And the constitution doesn't apply to America when America is acting outside of it's boarders... something like that
    Just the usual hypocrisy of the universal and liberal notions of the founding fathers not applying to all men because it doesnt suit people's visceral and emotion laden outlooks.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    My part in this conversation is about the social conservatism present in the tea party, that is all. Anyone calling the tea party racist is ignorant, sure there are racist in the tea party, but there are racist in alot of groups that aren't racist.



    fair enough.... Again, social conservativism is irrellevant these folks want certain economic conditions, and have backed less socialy conservative folks for more fiscally conservative ones.... Something you wont see on the cnn.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you think a libertarian should not be in favor of the Governemnt making killing an illegal immigrant murder?
    Depends, maybe that illegal would kill our husbands and rape our wives and children and take our land etc (arguments that pop up on political forums) etc...

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    For as long as it lives it is the responsibility of the parents to pay for it. Far greater incentive for parents to abort before the fetus develops lungs that way.


    So now its "lungs"


    they begin to develop at 4 weeks.


    Also if the host person (Iwouldnt call that person a "mother") wanted to abort her baby at the vaginal crossing, according to your "libertarianism" that's her business. try to be at least a little consistent.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Huh? What did I say that was racist? I thought we established earlier in this thread that pointing out the makeup of individuals in a group isn't racist or race baiting?!



    Really? The states you just posted say 61.2% of all welfare recipients are minorities.

    Say.......you didn't get incredibly touchy and start trying to disprove my statement while claiming racism just because I happened to point out the makeup of a group now did you?
    If you lump all the minorities together, then yes.. there are more minorities on welfare, but we were mostly talking about black minorities. Furthermore, whites have the highest % of any other group. So whites are on welfare more often. Therefore, I honestly think that saying minorities are on welfare the most is kind of misleading.

    I am not getting touchy, as I don't personally have a horse in this race. I just think it's fascinating to watch people react to each others comments... do you assume much?

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