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Thread: The Tea Party Is.....

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    then it should be noted that the anti-war movement was filled with communists and socialists, mostly white folks, probably with trust funds.
    Gotta a percentage of how many communist, socialist, white people with trust funds make up the anti-war movement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Gotta a percentage of how many communist, socialist, white people with trust funds make up the anti-war movement?


    Actually there were no statistics I can find by the media attempting to address that issue. Why do you think that is?
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So then you are for killing the baby as long as it doesnt cross the vagina line?


    I find that savage and barbaric. Perhaps you would volunteer to do it yourself instead of expecting others to do so...
    Actually, as I have stated before, I am all for evicting the fetus intact.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually, as I have stated before, I am all for evicting the fetus intact.

    What does "intact" mean?


    again, moments before birth do you or do you not support abortion?
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Actually there were no statistics I can find by the media attempting to address that issue. Why do you think that is?
    Because the anti-war movement is divided up into different individual groups, and the tea party is one large group that has people in political office because of their backing.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    . If I need a organ transplant, I am not entitled to another free individual's organs, blood, plasma, or any bodily support whatsoever for my survival.
    However, if you someone else needs an organ and you offer to give them your kidney you can't 3 months later once its in them go "wait, no, I changed my mind. My Body, My Choice! Give me back my kidney! You have no rights to it".

    Which, for those that are pro-life and view the fetus as a child with full rights as anyone else, that's what you're essentially doing. By engaging in sex that results in the conception of a child you are essentially inviting that child to use part of your body. If you don't want to send that invitation don't engage in the paperwork, in this case the sex.

    If there was a registry to give away kidneys and you signed up it wouldn't garauntee your kidney is picked. You could even protect yourself a bit by saying specifics like only to children to try and steer who and where its given out. You might have your name on that list for months or years and never be picked. Or you could by be picked the very first day you got on that list. But once you're picked and your kidney is in someone else, your ability to have a say over it is gone.

    That's essentially how they'd be viewing sex. You can have sex, but know the consequences. You can have safe sex, and it will reduce your chances, but know the chance is still there. But if that chance happens and you get pregnant, you're knowingly engaging in it with knowledge that pregnancy results in you accepting a child inside you and that child has rights.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I didn't say the libertarian would kill the person. I'm saying you're suggesting that a Libertarian is fine with another individual killing a foriegner that is here in the United States because that foriegner is not a US citizen.
    I would most certainly not be fine with it. Just because they are not entitled to protection of the Cosntitution does not mean I would be fine with them being killed. I'm not fine with most abortions. However, it isn't my right to interfere in the rights of others simply because of my own personal beliefs.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I never said that it was the main focus of the tea party, I was just saying that it should be noted.
    Its not any focus of the Tea Party, at least not in the form most people speak about "social conservatism" (IE gay marriage, prayer in school, abortion, etc)

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    AND the bolded shows you why you're not attempting to even try and come at the topic objectively.

    There is no scientific, definitive, unquestionable way of determining without question or on some grand high authority when a fetus is or is not a "child". That is an entirely opinion based issue where facts, both anecdotal and scientific, can be used to argue on either side of the issue. While there is a definition for it legally under the law, its far from uncommon for a Libertarian to disagree with the precedence the law states now. Viewing the situation in such a way that the ONLY way to view it as an "unborn fetus" rather than an "unborn child" means you're not attempting one iota to actually honestly address the issue from the variety of legitimate view points and thus can't make an honest call on whether or not one could be libertarian and be pro-life. THEIR personal belief that it isn't a child is no better or worse than your personal belief that it is or isn't a child. Thus, by NOT acting you could just as much be failing to protect the rights of another life as you could be to infringing upon their rights. Which leads the libertarian that believes it to be a child to come into the quandry of do you gamble on the childs potential rights, which if you're wrong means its violated by their death, or do you gamble on the parents potential rights, which if you'er wrong means its violated by their right to bodily soveriegnty. It is perfectly reasonable to suggest that the gamble is more apt to be made in defference to the first situation as "death" would be the worst consequence of violating an individuals rights as possible.
    He said fetus... fetus is not insulting, and is objective. Calling it a fetus isn't dehumanizing it, insulting, etc.

    Fetus refers to a stage of development... it is not an antonym of child. You're not being objective, and you're *gasp* being emotional, which I think is hilarious since you accused me of it for mentioning rape before. I find you highly emotional in the abortion debate.

    Zygote, embryo, fetus.... refers to developmental stages

    Neonate, infant, toddler.... also developmental stages

    pre teen, teen..... you get the picture

    Child is a noun... and child can refer to any of those developmental stages.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Its not any focus of the Tea Party, at least not in the form most people speak about "social conservatism" (IE gay marriage, prayer in school, abortion, etc)
    But it is a focus of the members of the tea party, and candidates they have backed.
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