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    2 2.33%
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    24 27.91%
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    2 2.33%
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is nothing wrong with pointing out that anti-war types tend to support pro-environmental issue candidates. Again, it is part of the package. The anti-war movement is largely a liberal group, and that carries some baggage with it. If they support candidates with positions other than "war is bad", then it is not unfair to point out that they support candidates who support those other issues. That is part of the cost of supporting specific candidates.

    Contrast it to what some groups do, which is grade candidates by how well they represent whatever issue the group represents, but does not actually support candidates.



    What about constantly pointing out that many are socialists or other such nonsense?
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    One of my issues with Libertarians that seek to be holier than thou. If one views that the fetus is actually legitimately a human child and thus covered by all the standards rights an individual has, its perfectly within libertarian philosophy to prohibit abortions on that basis. Would a Libertarian suggest that someone who states that it is okay for the Police to interject if a Parent is attempting to kill their 3 month old isn't a libertarian? If no, then suggesting someone who believes as I just stated isn't a libertarian would be entirely hypocritical and narrow minded.
    Everybody can come off holier than tho... people have strong beliefs. You included.

    It's a human, it's human offspring... saying it's a child is correct. Admitting that doesn't automatically make one pro life. The fact is NOBODY is entitlement to another free agents body in a free society. If I need a organ transplant, I am not entitled to another free individual's organs, blood, plasma, or any bodily support whatsoever for my survival. I am a human, I am alive, however, nobody else is society is required to keep me alive or aide in my survival.

    I don't think being pro abortion rights is dehumanizing the unborn.. I don't think I am not recognizing their rights, nor do I think they are subhuman. However, I think pro lifers want to give the unborn special rights.

    No free person is a life support system or has a duty to support the live of other people in society. I am not required to donate money to keep anybody alive, so don't expect me to donate my organs, including my womb for the same purpose.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This is an outrageous statement to make. Are you assuming that if we don't have laws protecting illegal immigrants from being murdered that people will just start killing them for the fun of it?


    No its not, it's your position, hence why you are avoiding post #162.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is nothing wrong with pointing out that anti-war types tend to support pro-environmental issue candidates. Again, it is part of the package. The anti-war movement is largely a liberal group, and that carries some baggage with it. If they support candidates with positions other than "war is bad", then it is not unfair to point out that they support candidates who support those other issues. That is part of the cost of supporting specific candidates.
    There's a difference between pointing out that most anti-war types support environmentalism and stating that the anti-war movement is also an environmental movement. Just like there's a difference between pointing out that most tea partiers are also social conservatives and suggesting that the Tea Party is not just a movement about Fiscal Conservatism but Social conservatism as well.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well yes, when discussing a candidate one should look at the whole of their platform, not just one segment of it that caters to a specific group.

    That said, its as relevant to an indepth discussion of the tea party movement as talking about the anti-war movements stance on carbon emmissions is when talking about that movement.
    I never said that it was the main focus of the tea party, I was just saying that it should be noted.
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    I view the Tea Party much like I view libertarians. Lots of real good idea's in the platform, but too many unrealistic idea's to be viable in the long run.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why would a libertarian wish to kill another individual if that individual was not messing with the libertarian?
    I didn't say the libertarian would kill the person. I'm saying you're suggesting that a Libertarian is fine with another individual killing a foriegner that is here in the United States because that foriegner is not a US citizen.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What would be wrong with that if it were true? Would a I be racist if I was a member of a group comprised of mostly dissatisfied black people? Would that make the group racist?
    Exactly the point. It wouldnt. Just as being a movement predominantly of white people does not mean they are a racist movement by default.

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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I never said that it was the main focus of the tea party, I was just saying that it should be noted.

    then it should be noted that the anti-war movement was filled with communists and socialists, mostly white folks, probably with trust funds.
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    Re: The Tea Party Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Difficult question. However, in a perfectly libertarian sense it comes down to individual rights. Do I have a right based on my personal beliefs to infringe on another person's right to do what they will with their body, in order to save the life of an unborn fetus simply because I believe it should be saved? At what point will I not infringe on other people's rights simply because I have personal beliefs that differ from them?
    They think their cause is imperative... Just like an animal rights activist, anti gun activists, etc. thinks their cause is. That would mean all the other activist are justified in imposing their morality on us through the government.

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