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Do you think that....

Is it ok to lie to push your agenda forward?

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Kal'Stang

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Do you think that it is ok to lie if it push's your agenda forward? IE win at any cost except break the law?
 
Yes. But the punishment for getting caught lying should be severe.
 
No.

If my position isn't tenable on facts alone, it's probably the wrong one.
 
Mayor Snorkum voted no. But, then again, Mayor Snorkum is not a Democrat.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Do you think that it is ok to lie if it push's your agenda forward? IE win at any cost except break the law?
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The truth isn't fun, the average person likes to live in a fantasy world, where people can have cake and eat it to.

In the real world, most of the right answers are never easy and to lie, in order to get people to give you power, so you can enact those decisions, is doing the right thing.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
Yes. But the punishment for getting caught lying should be severe.
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So in other words you cannot be trusted. I had you pegged as a man of your word and not a liar.
 
Closed-door negotiations blur that line frequently in order to get sensitive deals done.
 
Bottom line, they ALL lie to get elected and they all spin to push what they want...and they are all wrong for doing it and it most always gets exposed in the long run.
 
lpast said:
Bottom line, they ALL lie to get elected and they all spin to push what they want...and they are all wrong for doing it and it most always gets exposed in the long run.
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Gotta admit, I wasn't even thinking about politicians when I made this thread. Guess I'm just too use to thinking that they lie to think twice about it anymore. Sad fact that.
 
Kali said:
So in other words you cannot be trusted. I had you pegged as a man of your word and not a liar.
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I am a man of my word. I benefit more from people being able to trust me than I would from almost any lie I could tell.

But it's also important for people to trust me to lie for them when it's necessary.
 
My Father told me: "You can go to Hell for lying, as well as stealing."
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
I am a man of my word. I benefit more from people being able to trust me than I would from almost any lie I could tell.

But it's also important for people to trust me to lie for them when it's necessary.
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What, are you a lawyer?
 
This might seem wrong to you, but I think it depends on whether the end justifies the means. If you achieve the end, and it does justify the means, then okay. However, if it doesn't you should be punished.

Not the best point of view, but its what I think.
 
it seems this poll is built on an interesting assumption. wouldn't someone willing to lie to achieve a goal say they don't approve of lying in order to mantain credibility?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Do you think that it is ok to lie if it push's your agenda forward? IE win at any cost except break the law?
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My mom lied to me daily. I think she had the best intentions.
 
repeter said:
This might seem wrong to you, but I think it depends on whether the end justifies the means. If you achieve the end, and it does justify the means, then okay. However, if it doesn't you should be punished.

Not the best point of view, but its what I think.
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I never cared for the "ends justify the means" arguement. I'm sure that Hitler or the 9/11 terrorists thought that thier acts were justifiable also. I'm sure that if Hitler had won instead of the Allied Forces then all of our "history" books would be saying that what happened was "necessary".

IMO if something is actually worth getting then getting it properly is the best way.
 
This is simply rationalization. A common defense mechanism used by everyone. It does not mean it was necessary for anyone or unnecessary for everyone
 
Kal'Stang said:
I never cared for the "ends justify the means" arguement. I'm sure that Hitler or the 9/11 terrorists thought that thier acts were justifiable also. I'm sure that if Hitler had won instead of the Allied Forces then all of our "history" books would be saying that what happened was "necessary".

IMO if something is actually worth getting then getting it properly is the best way.
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I don't think that a comparison to Hitler works out well, especially since he was a deranged sociopath with a huge meth addiction. The terrorists were religious fanatics bent on causing mayhem and destruction almost for that end in and of itself. Those are two absurdum arguments against this idea, and as such are fallacious.
 
That is not a viable or repliable question in the essence that there are too many extraneous variables, the most inconspicuous being the problem or fact of what the agenda is and who is pushing.
 
Yoda said:
That is not a viable or repliable question in the essence that there are too many extraneous variables, the most inconspicuous being the problem or fact of what the agenda is and who is pushing.
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What strikes my curiosity is the aspect of truth being harmful as it would be misconstrued or interpreted to the individuals political convenience.
 
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