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Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 17.6%

  • No

    Votes: 66 77.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 4.7%
  • Total voters
    85
I'd like to see the Jersey Shore arrested for their fashion...
 
So I;m hearing on CNN right now that covering the face is no part of Muslim law but is a"custom" of some Muslim groups. Which answers my question about Allah demanding this.

How about I crouch down behind a woman covering her face and then somebody push her over me?

I think pretty soon there will be a new Muslim custom!
 
No.

However, it must be against the law to force women to wear them. Let the muslim men wear them if they feel they should be worn.

All these arguments, like the foolish people wanting to ban Koran burning, shred themselves on the First Amendment.
 
Patrickt said:
No, it shouldn't be banned but requirements to show your face for a drivers license or so a police officer can identify you is, in my opinion, reasonable.
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And, particularly, banks and other commercial establishments should not be subject to any civil rights lawsuits if they post warnings that a person's face must be uncovered to enter the establishment.

The vendor has every right to see who his customers are.
 
Well the law in France banned anything covering the face, be it veils, balaclavas or masks. Can you imagine all the kids that'd get arrested on Halloween if the US introduced a similar law?
 
Urethra Franklin said:
There is freedom of speech in France, and elsewhere - some of you guys seem to think you have the monopoly on it. When an impressionable young girl is repeatedly told by the males in her family that if she doesn't want to cover up completely she is a slut and they'll punish or disown her, that profoundly limits her choices. If you think that never happens on US territory you are profoundly naïve.
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More imporantly, if she wants to wear the niqab and hide her ugliness from the world, France has severely limited her choices.

France has lost freedom, that's all there is to that. There are already laws in France against beating women to make them conform, aren't there? Then should't those laws be enforced someday?
 
isn't there already a law to not wear something that covers your face in public? ... anyway i think this is BS, anyone should be able to wear anything, i dont care if it jepordizes public saftey, it's worth the freedom.
 
sazerac said:
So I;m hearing on CNN right now that covering the face is no part of Muslim law but is a"custom" of some Muslim groups. Which answers my question about Allah demanding this.

How about I crouch down behind a woman covering her face and then somebody push her over me?

I think pretty soon there will be a new Muslim custom!
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Yes, it would be called "testifying in court that certain juveniles need to be kept in reform school".
 
No. on what ground do you think you can legislate the way I dress. Indecent exposure has been well defined. Since this does not fall under that, any law enacted would violate my constitutional right of freedom of expression.

To anyone actually proposing this: **** off and get out of my life and stop thinking you can control my opinions. :)
 
A law outlawing it would be ridiculous and horribly unconstitutional.

I have no issues with certain govermental functions requiring you to remove it as you would have to remove any other head covering, such as a drivers liscense photo. I also have no issues if a private establishment wishes to prohibit it. But there should not be a law making it illegal to wear.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
A very black and white answer for a very black and white world in which we don't live.

Your answer would be fine if every woman under a burqa were wearing one out of free choice, but they're not. Many are under a burqa because of force, or fear of the consequences if they don't tow the line. Many live in communities where rejection by family and community would be too hard to bear, hence they do as they feel they should so as not to be cast out, stigmatised or punished. Yes there will always be some exceptoin to the rule the Sunday papers who says she loves living under a curtain and she chose it, but they're far from the majority. Let's cut this crap that most burqua wearing women are free thinking feminists who've chosen to live covered - that argument sinks like a stone. And let's be frank about what wanting to keep wives and daughters under such subjugation really says about how much you value women as equals. Certain civil freedoms quite rightly take priority over a supposed religious freedom such as this one.

Doubtless as ever on DP, the usual French bashers, relying on Fox news and having never set foot on French soil, will crawl out of the woodwork here. All I can say is that as somebody who isn't French but lives in France, most women and most muslims (of both sexes) here welcome this ban. A few mullahs will scream injustice, but they're not representative of the majority.
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So this is a Fox bashing moment for you? You weren't too bad up till then, but then you had to bring in something ridiculous. What does Fox have to do with this? Please explain to me how Fox has anything at all to do with this.
 
TheBook said:
*rolls eyes*

I forgot that freedom of religion only applies if someone is trying to suppress Christianity/Judaism...
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perhaps you could point out to me the relevant Sura or Hadith?
 
Bruce said:
Well the law in France banned anything covering the face, be it veils, balaclavas or masks. Can you imagine all the kids that'd get arrested on Halloween if the US introduced a similar law?
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I can assure you that robberies increase dutring Mardi Gras when everybody's face is covered.

But nobody has ever suggested any law against Mardi Gras masking. They would be tarred and feathered and sent packing.

So wearing a burka could increase crime but nobody would try to stop any laws against it. Especially since it's not a religeous requirement. It's just "our way" Well it's NOT our way! You're not in Iraqistan anymore.
 
I understand the point that Uretha is trying to make, however, I still would not like to see an outright ban. There are certainly security situations when it should not be allowed and private businesses should not allow it. Also, no burkas in sensitive places such as airports. With those qualifications, I do not want to see a blanket ban on it as reprehensible as the practice is.
 
pbrauer said:
Tomorrow France's Burqa Ban law goes into effect, would you be in favor of a similar law here in the United States?
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Hell no! It's clearly unconstitutional, and there's no point. People should be free to wear whatever they want so long as it's not nothing. Cause quite frankly, Americans have turned into fat, ugly SoBs and we don't need to be parading around without cloths.
 
sazerac said:
So I;m hearing on CNN right now that covering the face is no part of Muslim law but is a"custom" of some Muslim groups. Which answers my question about Allah demanding this.

How about I crouch down behind a woman covering her face and then somebody push her over me?

I think pretty soon there will be a new Muslim custom!
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Saints are not specifically mentioned in the Bible, but what would happen if we banned holy relics? The Qu'ran tells women to dress modestly, and some interpret this to mean, "wear a Burqa". I think that this is silly, but it is still are entitled to their interpretation of it.
 
samsmart said:
Then when she reaches the age of majority she can choose for herself whether she thinks she's a slut if she doesn't cover herself up completely and then do so or don't do so as she chooses.
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Sorry but you have no idea how difficult life can be for these girls.
 
American said:
So this is a Fox bashing moment for you? You weren't too bad up till then, but then you had to bring in something ridiculous. What does Fox have to do with this? Please explain to me how Fox has anything at all to do with this.
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Sweetpea I have something of a history on DP - you should perhaps look back at the hysterics any mention of France has provoked on these boards over the years.
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
More imporantly, if she wants to wear the niqab and hide her ugliness from the world, France has severely limited her choices.

France has lost freedom, that's all there is to that. There are already laws in France against beating women to make them conform, aren't there? Then should't those laws be enforced someday?
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Rather like the previous poster, you seem to think it's so easy for the battered wife to just take herself down to the police station. Many non muslim battered women have difficulty doing it - add the constraints of living in such a close knit community with very rigid ideas.
 
pbrauer said:
Tomorrow France's Burqa Ban law goes into effect, would you be in favor of a similar law here in the United States?

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No, I think Muslim ninjas are sexy.

But seriously, freedom of religion and all....
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Rather like the previous poster, you seem to think it's so easy for the battered wife to just take herself down to the police station. Many non muslim battered women have difficulty doing it - add the constraints of living in such a close knit community with very rigid ideas.
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And you think banning burqas will make that any easier? Women who are abused, will still be abused and will still face the same close knit community and rigid ideas. And women who willing choose to wear a burqa in accordance with their own religious convictions will be persecuted. Most of the propoents of banning burquas tend to come from one of two camps - feminists who can't believe any woman would choose a lifestyle contrary to their "modern and enlightened" ideals and islamophobes.
 
No. Because if I could do that, I may as well waste my time voting on deporting anyone who bothers to look like Waldo. Banning this because of women's rights is a ridiculous notion to promote. Personally, I thought the low cut jeans of a short time ago had incredibly simultaneously given far too many boners, pissed off most fathers, and made an incredible amount of people vomit who had no idea such a jean could be so painful to see on the wrong body. All of that circus act was for self-expression and it came and went. At least give us the option for something more taming.
 
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