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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I dont understand your point sam, where in my post does it mention us being invaded by the taliban ? I was referring to the French law which makes sense and I agree with...and if they did it here Id give it a big oooohrah.
    I grew up in an extremely rural area. It was exceedingly cut off and even more conservative, especialy religiously.

    There was this one church who believed it was sinful for women to be like men. Therefore, the girls could only keep their hair long and weren't allowed to wear pants - they could only wear dresses. Also, those girls were expected to marry young and be a housewife and stay at home to raise kids while her husband went to work and brought home the bacon. For a woman to do anything besides those things could be considered an act of sin, since woman was designed by God to be a helpmate for man.

    Naturally, this isn't the most enlightened of stances, even among mainstream American Christians. Feminists and even political centrists could easily argue that such a dogma served only to inhibit the freedoms and liberties of women through the use of religion.

    So what does that means we should do? Does that mean that we should ban dresses and skirts because those are clothings that designed specifically for women, and by having fashions designed solely for women who separate them from men, which is an innate act of discrimination? So the state should force women to wear unisex clothing, like pants and shorts?

    Or does that mean that because that religion demands women to be housewives and stay-at-home mothers that we should ban women from marrying, issue state-enforced birth-control, and use the government to mandate that they get a college education and enter the work force?

    I don't believe in banning such things anywhere for any reason. However, neither do I believe in enforcing such things through the use of the government either. People should have the freedom of choice for themselves.

    No government prevent a person from wearing something of religious significance to them. But neither should a government punish a person for not wearing something of religious significance to the government either.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    However, here in the United States women have the freedom of speech and freedom of religion to refuse to wear it as well.
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    There is freedom of speech in France, and elsewhere - some of you guys seem to think you have the monopoly on it. When an impressionable young girl is repeatedly told by the males in her family that if she doesn't want to cover up completely she is a slut and they'll punish or disown her, that profoundly limits her choices. If you think that never happens on US territory you are profoundly naļve

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post

    That's what you fail to realize - that people have a choice. And in the United States Muslim women have the choice to be as religiously conservative as they want to be. Or as secular and liberated as she wants to be..
    No, not all of them have that choice. Again you're being profoundly naļve.
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    And should a community try to ostracize her for her choices then she also has the freedom of association and therefore may choose not to associate with that community. And should such a community choose to infringe on her civil rights and civil liberties she can use the due process of law to protect herself against that community.
    Oh yeah, and that's a really easy thing to do isn't it?
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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

    Im for banning the burqa, imagine that. Then we ban the mosque.
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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And the muslims of the middle east are like American muslims how?
    No honor killings here right ? no terrorists either right ? and theres no muslim women wearing burqas that wouldnt if not forced by their spouses right ?

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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    There is freedom of speech in France, and elsewhere - some of you guys seem to think you have the monopoly on it. When an impressionable young girl is repeatedly told by the males in her family that if she doesn't want to cover up completely she is a slut and they'll punish or disown her, that profoundly limits her choices. If you think that never happens on US territory you are profoundly naļve



    No, not all of them have that choice. Again you're being profoundly naļve.


    Oh yeah, and that's a really easy thing to do isn't it?
    Oh, I'm aware that it happens here in the U.S.

    But I'm also aware that in the U.S. that doing such a thing can be considered emotional abuse to a minor, and the Department of Children and Families can get involved and investigate the matter and put that child someplace else until they determine whether or not she's in danger of her family or community and if that is the case they can forcibly separate her from her family and community to ensure that they do not endanger her.

    Then when she reaches the age of majority she can choose for herself whether she thinks she's a slut if she doesn't cover herself up completely and then do so or don't do so as she chooses.

    And no, I don't think the U.S. holds a monopoly on the freedom of speech. I just think that the French government banning a specific type of clothing is a violation of it. Just like I think that the U.S. government violates other freedoms according to the policies they have regarding certain things.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    No honor killings here right ? no terrorists either right ? and theres no muslim women wearing burqas that wouldnt if not forced by their spouses right ?
    Here in the U.S., women are free to divorce their husbands, and many states have no-fault divorces. And I don't know if it's policy or not, but I do think that people seeking a divorce who feel endangered by their spouse be entitled to a certain amount of protection from them.

    There are more alternatives to this issue than banning burqas.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    No, not all of them have that choice. Again you're being profoundly naļve.
    They do have a choice

    Oh yeah, and that's a really easy thing to do isn't it?
    Who said it was easy? The same argument you are using could be applied to being gay, transgendered, not going into the family business, getting a tattoo, doing anything that is against your family's wishes.
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    Re: Would you favor a law banning burqas in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    There is freedom of speech in France, and elsewhere - some of you guys seem to think you have the monopoly on it. When an impressionable young girl is repeatedly told by the males in her family that if she doesn't want to cover up completely she is a slut and they'll punish or disown her, that profoundly limits her choices. If you think that never happens on US territory you are profoundly naļve
    No, not all of them have that choice. Again you're being profoundly naļve.
    Oh yeah, and that's a really easy thing to do isn't it?
    Not having a choice is not the same as having a difficult choice. Furthermore, in France, they would not have a choice, to wear it or not, which is as bad as being forced to wear it. And regardless of whether what you said happens in the US, the choice remains.
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