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Who won the budget deal?

Who won the budget deal?


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Many of them aren't. Even PP could probably go 100% private funding in the near future. The difference is defunding through planning intead of cutting the jugular and seeing if it bleeds out or survives.

It would seriously reduce what PP can do. Ironically, the one thing that would not be reduced is abortion services, since by law the federal funds they get cannot go to that.
 
Really, you think PP will ever voluntarily give up it's fed funding? BTW, there's like 1.6 billion dollars in tax dollars that PP cannot account for. Where's the responsibility on PP's part to use fed funds wisely?

I have no expectations for anyone to voluntarily give up federal funding. They will have to be de-funded but it will need to be a managed de-fund to help the organization move those funds to private donations.

I also have no idea where the $1.3 billion not spend over the $2 billion recieved over 6 years is.
 
George Washington was right about political parties.

That did not stop the reality that people such as those, including my fifth great uncle and his son (working with the President and President Adams) would essentially develop such parties.
 
The democrats stance is absolutely insane... we need to cut and we need to cut trillions over the next 10 years. This is simply not debatable, we will crash as a country if it does not happen; therefore regardless of any other politics the democrats are completely at fault for not taking a strong stance on cutting the spending.
 
I'm still waiting on fixing the tax loopholes everyone knows is there. Until we take that step, we will be nowhere near fixing the budget.
 
The military.
 
The democrats stance is absolutely insane... we need to cut and we need to cut trillions over the next 10 years. This is simply not debatable, we will crash as a country if it does not happen; therefore regardless of any other politics the democrats are completely at fault for not taking a strong stance on cutting the spending.

The key part is highlighted. Yes, we need to do something about our structural budget deficit. We need to have solutions for long-term issues like how to make social security solvent, how to control Medicare/Medicaid costs, how to reform and simplify our tax code, and how much defense spending we will need to cut. But that debate does not belong in the 2011 federal budget.
 
I'm still waiting on fixing the tax loopholes everyone knows is there. Until we take that step, we will be nowhere near fixing the budget.

you mean like Ryan does in his proposed 2012 budget?
 
The key part is highlighted. Yes, we need to do something about our structural budget deficit. We need to have solutions for long-term issues like how to make social security solvent, how to control Medicare/Medicaid costs, how to reform and simplify our tax code, and how much defense spending we will need to cut. But that debate does not belong in the 2011 federal budget.

that's correct; it belongs to 2012, and will inevitably be the Presidential debate.



Run, Mitch, Run.
 
The President kicked butt.

All those kids from Colorado (critical swing state) will be able to visit the Washington monument. God bless!

wow, that's a really important reason for a bloated deficit
 
Who won the budget deal?

So what do you think?

I am going to go with republicans on this one. Democrats are traditionally bad negotiators and it showed this time around since they did most of the compromising, even though they held most of the power.
 
At the end of the day, they managed to do what should have been done by the failed 2010 dem led congress. Who won...well...no one. When you are talking about budget cuts of 30-60 billion with a deficit of over a trillion, with total annual spending approaching 4 trillion, and a national debt of 14.5 trillion...how can anyone call it a win when they managed to cut .017% of the deficit? And how can any citizens be happy and proud of that? Good lord...to see people puffing their chest and swelling with partisan pride over what did or didnt get funded...either way...its kinda pathetic. The taxpayers are still screwed in the deal. If this is the future of budget reform...quibbling over a few billion while racking up trillions in additional debt, we can expect to see fiscal accountability in about 9 years...when the Chinese take us to court to pay beck the debt we owe them.

Win...OK. Pop a cork.
 
Nobody won. Everybody lost points, IMO. Democrats are still in trouble for not seriously addressing the deficit, and their push on this budget doesn't help that. Republicans, however, probably look even worse for only taking on about 2% of the problem and holding out on nonmainstream, social-conservative issues. Obama looks bad for not being able to control either side and get anything done.
 
Exactly. It is not even gonna make a dent and it looked like little kids on a playground that have not learned how to play well w/each other.

Think of it this way. How realistic was it to take that much more than that? It is small, but politically, there was no hope for a substantial cut like that. Considering, this was a positive step. Also, the public is always going to send mixed messages. The Democrats thought they had a massive mandate following 2008, and so did Republicans starting this year. The public just suddenly thinks that the politicians should know what to do and just fold into some sort of brilliant policy proposal and send it on its way into action. Everything must be harmonious, and everything must be brilliant to "get stuff done." However, the reality is, there is rarely consensus (and the public does not help with asking where to go, because they too are split over each 2-4 years), they have limited time, and they are doing exactly what we send them to do: fight for policy. You don't magically reach consensus without these sort of arguments. In order to "get stuff done" you have to have these battles. Seemingly each time America's leaders actually do fight for policy to "get stuff done", you will still hear a roaring groan from many Americans proclaiming "Americans lost" because "they are like children and play politics with America's future." Even when they don't, that is exactly what you hear, because they did not go the extra mile to get things done, and acted like they were on country clubs. What a load of rubbish.
 
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Who won the budget deal?

So what do you think?

Considering the cuts a joke and the democrats got what they wanted out of the spending cuts bill I would have to say the democrats won. These cuts are small its like owing someone a hundred bucks and saying you will pay back a dollar and acting as though this is some sort of big deal.
 
we were never going to cut 1.5 trillion and rebalance the budget this year. the real "cuts" battle will be in 2012, and it won't even be until after the Presidential election that we will be able to pass anything like what is necessary. The Big Thing is that Republicans have managed to change the rules of the debate - now everyone is going to be competing over cuts as opposed to increases.
 
I'm amazed that so many people are so dedicated to Obama that they have to insist he won. The President called for spending increases (remember all those "investments" he wanted to make in pretty trains and windmills?), and instead he was forced to swallow spending cuts, and many times what his party had said at the outset that they were willing to accept.

the spending battle is a win for Obama like Social Security reform was a win for Bush.
 
At the end of the day, they managed to do what should have been done by the failed 2010 dem led congress. Who won...well...no one. When you are talking about budget cuts of 30-60 billion with a deficit of over a trillion, with total annual spending approaching 4 trillion, and a national debt of 14.5 trillion...how can anyone call it a win when they managed to cut .017% of the deficit? And how can any citizens be happy and proud of that? Good lord...to see people puffing their chest and swelling with partisan pride over what did or didnt get funded...either way...its kinda pathetic. The taxpayers are still screwed in the deal. If this is the future of budget reform...quibbling over a few billion while racking up trillions in additional debt, we can expect to see fiscal accountability in about 9 years...when the Chinese take us to court to pay beck the debt we owe them.

Win...OK. Pop a cork.

I am really surprised by this reaction. It is very difficult to change direction of anything that has been going only in one direction for 40 years. A cut of any size is a material change in the way government now has to look at spending and the budget. Also remember that this is abudget that is almost halfway done, it goes only until October.

Clearly the people who voted in november have had an impact on the budget dialog.
 
… Clearly the people who voted in november have had an impact on the budget dialog.

While I honestly believe that the people voting in November 2010 were seriously mislead by Republicans across the country, I think it is right and good that the election has had significant consequences, in this case ill-advised and arbitrary discretionary spending cuts. The American democratic process works.
 
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While I honestly believe that the people voting in November 2010 were seriously mislead by Republicans across the country, I think it is right and good that the election has had significant consequences, in this case ill-advised and arbitrary discretionary spending cuts. The American democratic process works.

Do you not think it was because people disproved of the Democrats? 2012 wasn't so much an endorsement of the Republican party as much as it was a rejection of the Democrats and how they are running things.
 
I am really surprised by this reaction. It is very difficult to change direction of anything that has been going only in one direction for 40 years. A cut of any size is a material change in the way government now has to look at spending and the budget. Also remember that this is abudget that is almost halfway done, it goes only until October.

Clearly the people who voted in november have had an impact on the budget dialog.

Im glad they managed to get this done. That happiness is unfortunately immediately tempered by the enormity of what lies ahead.

Can you imagine the bloodletting that will occur in the next few months as they prepare the 2012 budget? People are addicted to federal spending. People believe it is their right to have the fed provide for every service. The OPer in this thread is representative of the dependent class of people that believe 14.5 trillion in debt isnt ENOUGH...we should spend more and MORE and MORE with no regard to payment. The words of the democrats in this debate are indicative of what we can expect...people that see the debt as unsustainable want to kill women and children. Their rhetoric is repulsive...but dont think for a second its not coming.

yes...I recognize its been a long time in coming. Im the first to say both parties dug us into this hole. Its time to dig out. Unfortunately politicians will pander to the dependent class.
 
It is noted that neither VanceMack or Aunt Spiker have yet to register their opinion in the poll. Perhaps, this whole ‘voting’ thing is beyond them.
 
It is noted that neither VanceMack or Aunt Spiker have yet to register their opinion in the poll. Perhaps, this whole ‘voting’ thing is beyond them.

Or perhaps, like for me, "Don't Care" wasn't an option.
 
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