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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I believe you meant 2010 digs?
    Yeah, that year
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So then by the same logic did Republicans lose the White House for the same reason? People disapproved of the Democrats' spending and I believe that's why they lost.
    Presidential elections are more often than not a reaction to the incumbent, rejection or approval. Obama was not Bush, nothing like him. 2008 was definitely about rejection. 2010 was a rejection of the economic conditions.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Presidential elections are more often than not a reaction to the incumbent, rejection or approval. Obama was not Bush, nothing like him. 2008 was definitely about rejection. 2010 was a rejection of the economic conditions.
    I believe 2010 was a rejection of the Democrats who failed at handling the economy and spent more money. The budget was a strong issue along with the economy, and I believe Democrats did not deliver to the American people. Many Conservatives were outraged by the healthcare law and that fired up their base. The fact is that the Republicans won with a historic landslide and it was largely due to rejection of the Democrat plan.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    More like rejection of the current economic conditions and the party in power at the time combined with a party falsely claiming that they could do better.
    That seems to be a pretty common spin that was used right after the election by a number of pundits. I think it is dangerous for democrats to fail to understand a real angst in the country. Yes it is partly the economy. But there is a large fear that we are in unchartered ground at this level of debt and deficit. Unless you want to go back to WWII, we have never run a deficit of nearly 10% of GDP. We have now run that level of deficit for the last three years. In addition, the budget presented by the president has been scored as creating additional debt of $13 trillion over the next 10 years. Just not a sustainable path. Worse our leaders have not shown a path toward a rational budget.

    The only thing I see as the government doing to minimize our debt problem is through inflation and devaluing the dollar. This policy will impact the poorest of us the most. They cannot deversify their holding into some other asset which will benefit by this policy. Rather they will have less buying power while their wages stagnate. Not exactly a truely liberal agenda.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It is noted that neither VanceMack or Aunt Spiker have yet to register their opinion in the poll. Perhaps, this whole ‘voting’ thing is beyond them.
    You may note that I have yet to take part in a poll here. I voice my opinion using 'words'.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    We should provide a weasel choice, eh? I'll consider it for the future: CaptainCourtesy's Don't Care choice.
    I think I've explained my position on the budget "win" pretty clearly. No one won. It wouldn't be a "weasel" choice. It would be a non-hyperpartisan choice. I'd imagine you might have a hard time coming up with one of those.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You may note that I have yet to take part in a poll here. I voice my opinion using 'words'.
    I rarely vote, either. Mostly, I find the choices are not suitable to my position and use my words, also.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    I don't doubt there is considerable angst among the American people and that there are political opportunists who know just who is to blame and are reaping the rewards.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I don't doubt there is considerable angst among the American people and that there are political opportunists who know just who is to blame and are reaping the rewards.
    Right...like the weaselly democrats that lined up to the microphones blaming republicans even though it was they that failed to do their job over a year ago...and Im sure Ive missed the posts where you leveled your scorn at the democrats for failing to so much as propose, let alone pass their budget last year. Perhaps you could be a dear and point out your critique of them. Id love to read your non-partisan views.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm amazed that so many people are so dedicated to Obama that they have to insist he won. The President called for spending increases (remember all those "investments" he wanted to make in pretty trains and windmills?), and instead he was forced to swallow spending cuts, and many times what his party had said at the outset that they were willing to accept.

    the spending battle is a win for Obama like Social Security reform was a win for Bush.
    CP, his "aloof" presence maintained a sort of paternal appeal. He was able to, at least somewhat, come off as a parent in a sophisticated dispute. Obama may or may not have a one-trick pony in being the aloof person who comes in to "close the deal", but so far it may be working in his favor (even if we incorrectly label it as a neo-Clintonian appeal). Social Security reform is not what I would compare it to, as it was not his party who set off on such a track. With Bush, the problem was his own party on leading on their own conceived legislative mandate. Here it is the President of the United States trying to be a leader in spite of recent developments from the other party gaining immense strength.
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