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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    While I honestly believe that the people voting in November 2010 were seriously mislead by Republicans across the country, I think it is right and good that the election has had significant consequences, in this case ill-advised and arbitrary discretionary spending cuts. The American democratic process works.
    Do you not think it was because people disproved of the Democrats? 2012 wasn't so much an endorsement of the Republican party as much as it was a rejection of the Democrats and how they are running things.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I am really surprised by this reaction. It is very difficult to change direction of anything that has been going only in one direction for 40 years. A cut of any size is a material change in the way government now has to look at spending and the budget. Also remember that this is abudget that is almost halfway done, it goes only until October.

    Clearly the people who voted in november have had an impact on the budget dialog.
    Im glad they managed to get this done. That happiness is unfortunately immediately tempered by the enormity of what lies ahead.

    Can you imagine the bloodletting that will occur in the next few months as they prepare the 2012 budget? People are addicted to federal spending. People believe it is their right to have the fed provide for every service. The OPer in this thread is representative of the dependent class of people that believe 14.5 trillion in debt isnt ENOUGH...we should spend more and MORE and MORE with no regard to payment. The words of the democrats in this debate are indicative of what we can expect...people that see the debt as unsustainable want to kill women and children. Their rhetoric is repulsive...but dont think for a second its not coming.

    yes...I recognize its been a long time in coming. Im the first to say both parties dug us into this hole. Its time to dig out. Unfortunately politicians will pander to the dependent class.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Who won the budget deal?

    So what do you think?
    No one won.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    It is noted that neither VanceMack or Aunt Spiker have yet to register their opinion in the poll. Perhaps, this whole ‘voting’ thing is beyond them.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It is noted that neither VanceMack or Aunt Spiker have yet to register their opinion in the poll. Perhaps, this whole ‘voting’ thing is beyond them.
    Or perhaps, like for me, "Don't Care" wasn't an option.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Do you not think it was because people disproved of the Democrats? 2012 wasn't so much an endorsement of the Republican party as much as it was a rejection of the Democrats and how they are running things.
    More like rejection of the current economic conditions and the party in power at the time combined with a party falsely claiming that they could do better.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    More like rejection of the current economic conditions and the party in power at the time combined with a party falsely claiming that they could do better.
    So then by the same logic did Republicans lose the White House for the same reason? People disapproved of the Democrats' spending and I believe that's why they lost.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It is noted that neither VanceMack or Aunt Spiker have yet to register their opinion in the poll. Perhaps, this whole ‘voting’ thing is beyond them.
    Or maybe perhaps it is beyond you to provide the proper options that describe their opinion on the subject.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Do you not think it was because people disproved of the Democrats? 2012 wasn't so much an endorsement of the Republican party as much as it was a rejection of the Democrats and how they are running things.
    I believe you meant 2010 digs?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Or perhaps, like for me, "Don't Care" wasn't an option.
    We should provide a weasel choice, eh? I'll consider it for the future: CaptainCourtesy's Don't Care choice.
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