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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Who won the budget deal?

    So what do you think?
    I am going to go with republicans on this one. Democrats are traditionally bad negotiators and it showed this time around since they did most of the compromising, even though they held most of the power.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    At the end of the day, they managed to do what should have been done by the failed 2010 dem led congress. Who won...well...no one. When you are talking about budget cuts of 30-60 billion with a deficit of over a trillion, with total annual spending approaching 4 trillion, and a national debt of 14.5 trillion...how can anyone call it a win when they managed to cut .017% of the deficit? And how can any citizens be happy and proud of that? Good lord...to see people puffing their chest and swelling with partisan pride over what did or didnt get funded...either way...its kinda pathetic. The taxpayers are still screwed in the deal. If this is the future of budget reform...quibbling over a few billion while racking up trillions in additional debt, we can expect to see fiscal accountability in about 9 years...when the Chinese take us to court to pay beck the debt we owe them.

    Win...OK. Pop a cork.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Nobody won. Everybody lost points, IMO. Democrats are still in trouble for not seriously addressing the deficit, and their push on this budget doesn't help that. Republicans, however, probably look even worse for only taking on about 2% of the problem and holding out on nonmainstream, social-conservative issues. Obama looks bad for not being able to control either side and get anything done.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Exactly. It is not even gonna make a dent and it looked like little kids on a playground that have not learned how to play well w/each other.
    Think of it this way. How realistic was it to take that much more than that? It is small, but politically, there was no hope for a substantial cut like that. Considering, this was a positive step. Also, the public is always going to send mixed messages. The Democrats thought they had a massive mandate following 2008, and so did Republicans starting this year. The public just suddenly thinks that the politicians should know what to do and just fold into some sort of brilliant policy proposal and send it on its way into action. Everything must be harmonious, and everything must be brilliant to "get stuff done." However, the reality is, there is rarely consensus (and the public does not help with asking where to go, because they too are split over each 2-4 years), they have limited time, and they are doing exactly what we send them to do: fight for policy. You don't magically reach consensus without these sort of arguments. In order to "get stuff done" you have to have these battles. Seemingly each time America's leaders actually do fight for policy to "get stuff done", you will still hear a roaring groan from many Americans proclaiming "Americans lost" because "they are like children and play politics with America's future." Even when they don't, that is exactly what you hear, because they did not go the extra mile to get things done, and acted like they were on country clubs. What a load of rubbish.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Politicians won. Americans lost.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Who won the budget deal?

    So what do you think?
    Considering the cuts a joke and the democrats got what they wanted out of the spending cuts bill I would have to say the democrats won. These cuts are small its like owing someone a hundred bucks and saying you will pay back a dollar and acting as though this is some sort of big deal.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    we were never going to cut 1.5 trillion and rebalance the budget this year. the real "cuts" battle will be in 2012, and it won't even be until after the Presidential election that we will be able to pass anything like what is necessary. The Big Thing is that Republicans have managed to change the rules of the debate - now everyone is going to be competing over cuts as opposed to increases.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    I'm amazed that so many people are so dedicated to Obama that they have to insist he won. The President called for spending increases (remember all those "investments" he wanted to make in pretty trains and windmills?), and instead he was forced to swallow spending cuts, and many times what his party had said at the outset that they were willing to accept.

    the spending battle is a win for Obama like Social Security reform was a win for Bush.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    At the end of the day, they managed to do what should have been done by the failed 2010 dem led congress. Who won...well...no one. When you are talking about budget cuts of 30-60 billion with a deficit of over a trillion, with total annual spending approaching 4 trillion, and a national debt of 14.5 trillion...how can anyone call it a win when they managed to cut .017% of the deficit? And how can any citizens be happy and proud of that? Good lord...to see people puffing their chest and swelling with partisan pride over what did or didnt get funded...either way...its kinda pathetic. The taxpayers are still screwed in the deal. If this is the future of budget reform...quibbling over a few billion while racking up trillions in additional debt, we can expect to see fiscal accountability in about 9 years...when the Chinese take us to court to pay beck the debt we owe them.

    Win...OK. Pop a cork.
    I am really surprised by this reaction. It is very difficult to change direction of anything that has been going only in one direction for 40 years. A cut of any size is a material change in the way government now has to look at spending and the budget. Also remember that this is abudget that is almost halfway done, it goes only until October.

    Clearly the people who voted in november have had an impact on the budget dialog.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    … Clearly the people who voted in november have had an impact on the budget dialog.
    While I honestly believe that the people voting in November 2010 were seriously mislead by Republicans across the country, I think it is right and good that the election has had significant consequences, in this case ill-advised and arbitrary discretionary spending cuts. The American democratic process works.
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