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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    I am not even sure what's in the bill... Where all the riders taken out?

    I did hear that Bachmann didn't vote for the bill and the Tea Party is mad at Boehner, but I am not sure why... or even if it's the entire TP or a fringe.

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    I will say though, Obama came through at a leader IMO... I always thought he was kind of weak, but he fought and he worked hard. I respect him for that.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did it, or did it not cut the budget and begin that process? Why the need to spin things?
    What? You think I made that up? Geithner (that's your guy) admits, that even if the president's budget had been passed, it would be unsustainable.

    YouTube - Geithner Admits: Obligations in President's Budget "Unsustainable"




    I have not denied that republicans get a share of the credit. Straw men are weak arguments. In fact, only you are trying to deny any party in this credit. Kinda ironic, no?
    Not at all, details matter. Would you ever credit the GOP for sustaining some government program you thought was good? A prime example, the prescription drug plan for seniors passed during the Bush admin. Even though it's the kind of thing liberals usually support, I've only ever seen it used by the left as a bludgeon against the GOP, "See?!!!! They spend too!!!"



    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And again you repeat the lie.
    I'm just taking Dems at their word that every government program and grant, from cowboy poetry to NPR just had to be left alone for the good of the nation and failing to do so was just mean-spirited. You didn't see any of those claims?
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am not even sure what's in the bill... Where all the riders taken out?
    specifics on the spending are still being hammered out - only the total amount is set in stone. most the riders were taken out, but government funding for abortion in DC has been stopped, and the voucher system to allow disadvantaged kids to escape the DC school system was reinstated.

    I did hear that Bachmann didn't vote for the bill and the Tea Party is mad at Boehner, but I am not sure why... or even if it's the entire TP or a fringe.

    it's split; and it comes down to the feeling that they broke a promise. the "pledge" swore up and down to cut 100 Bn, then they tried for 33 Bn. Then they got into trouble and agreed to shoot for 61 Bn, before settling for 38 Bn. there's a sense that if we can't trust leadership not to fold on the small potatos, trusting them not to fold later might be iffy. but we shall see. we are caught now between two visions; and one cannot survive. the next three years are gonna be interesting.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I will say though, Obama came through at a leader IMO... I always thought he was kind of weak, but he fought and he worked hard. I respect him for that.
    what? Obama let Reid do his work, went off campaiging. Like when he dithered for weeks, finally decided to bomb Libya and so went off to cruise South America. Or when he decided to change 1/8th of the Economy and so left healthcare reform to congress. Or when he couldn't decide whether or not to support the effort in Afghanistan and so - after months of indecision - boldly set on the brave course of seeing if he could split the difference. Or when he decided to save the economy and led nancy pelosi write the "stimulus" bill. Even Democrats are now publicly complaining about the Presidents utter lack of leadership on this issue.

    Obama voted 'present' on this and then scurried in front of the television to try to claim credit for cuts when he'd asked for spending increases. i have to admire the gall, but still, not impressive.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    This is obviously a big win for the new Republican congress.

    Our congress has finally proposed serious spending cuts in entitlement programs. Will they be successful? We'll see. The fact that we are talking about reducing the deficit with the ultimate goal of a tax surplus so we can start to pay off our debt is moving in the right direction.

    So far 0bama's economic policy has been to spend even more. Exactly what got us in this situation in the first place. Hes smart enough to know that.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Obama did.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    well well well, it turns out that the "cuts" agreed on weren't cuts at all.... Boehner lied to us.

    this thing might not even pass at this point; and raising the debt ceiling just got a whole lot tougher. the tea party-esque right today is infuriated.


    Strike One

    ...All the cuts in the deal aren’t equal. The ones that matter most are the cuts in discretionary spending that reduce the budget baseline in future years. Even with more the details of the deal released early yesterday morning, the exact numbers are still shrouded in confusion, but it is clear the cuts are much less than meets the eye — the gimmickry is not merely around the edges.

    The $38.5 billion includes real cuts, but also a dog’s breakfast of budgetary legerdemain. According to the Associated Press, the deal purports to save $2.5 billion “from the most recent renewal of highway programs that can’t be spent because of restrictions set by other legislation.” It gets another $4.9 billion by capping a reserve fund for the victims of crime that also wasn’t going to be spent this year — a long-standing trick of appropriators. The Washington Post reports that a notional $3.5 billion cut from the Children’s Health Insurance Program “would affect only rewards for states that make an extra effort to enroll children. But officials with knowledge of the budget deal said that most states were unlikely to qualify for the bonuses and that sufficient money would be available for those that did.” And so on.

    There’s realism and then there’s cynicism. This deal — oversold and dependent on classic Washington budget trickery — comes too close to the latter. John Boehner has repeatedly said he’s going to reject “business as usual,” but that’s what he’s offered his caucus. It’s one thing for Tea Party Republicans to vote for a cut that falls short of what they’d get if the controlled all of Washington; it’s another thing for them, after making so much of bringing transparency and honesty to the Beltway, to vote for a deal sold partly on false pretenses...

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    This makes this a bad deal for Boehner, whose position which was already on thin ice is now going to be on cracking thin ice. Its going to make for an interesting situation for the Tea Party elected members as well to see if they walk the walk with the new relevations, or if they stand up for what they were elected in at.

    This is the first hand in a long tournament of poker. If any Republican tips his hand as being a bad bluffer this early on they can expect to be doomed pretty quickly.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well well well, it turns out that the "cuts" agreed on weren't cuts at all.... Boehner lied to us.

    this thing might not even pass at this point; and raising the debt ceiling just got a whole lot tougher. the tea party-esque right today is infuriated.


    Strike One

    ...All the cuts in the deal aren’t equal. The ones that matter most are the cuts in discretionary spending that reduce the budget baseline in future years. Even with more the details of the deal released early yesterday morning, the exact numbers are still shrouded in confusion, but it is clear the cuts are much less than meets the eye — the gimmickry is not merely around the edges.

    The $38.5 billion includes real cuts, but also a dog’s breakfast of budgetary legerdemain. According to the Associated Press, the deal purports to save $2.5 billion “from the most recent renewal of highway programs that can’t be spent because of restrictions set by other legislation.” It gets another $4.9 billion by capping a reserve fund for the victims of crime that also wasn’t going to be spent this year — a long-standing trick of appropriators. The Washington Post reports that a notional $3.5 billion cut from the Children’s Health Insurance Program “would affect only rewards for states that make an extra effort to enroll children. But officials with knowledge of the budget deal said that most states were unlikely to qualify for the bonuses and that sufficient money would be available for those that did.” And so on.

    There’s realism and then there’s cynicism. This deal — oversold and dependent on classic Washington budget trickery — comes too close to the latter. John Boehner has repeatedly said he’s going to reject “business as usual,” but that’s what he’s offered his caucus. It’s one thing for Tea Party Republicans to vote for a cut that falls short of what they’d get if the controlled all of Washington; it’s another thing for them, after making so much of bringing transparency and honesty to the Beltway, to vote for a deal sold partly on false pretenses...
    Wow. So they cutbudgeted items that wasn't going to be spent anyway. What in the hell where the Republicans thinking?

    I was disappointed in the amount of cuts, but I thought hey at least we're moving in the right direction, even if it's at a glacier's pace. I thought it was a potentially important tactical victory for deficit hawks and the Republican Party. But now I find out we got the status quo and they're hailing it as "historic cuts"! I can't begin to express my disgust at this revalation. Here I was starting to think maybe the Republican Party was serious about fiscal conservatism, maybe not to the extent I am, but at least moving in that direction. Now they hand us this crap.

    One thing that will be nice is when this thing is put to a vote, we'll find out which Tea Party candidates were serious about spending cuts and which ones were blowing hot air. Sadly I have a feeling there will be only a handful of holdouts and dissenters in the GOP.
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