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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Alright, I'm going to come at this from a political science perspective rather than an average observer spectrum whose going "America Won!". Doing this because I actually would like to discuss politically who won here. Going to try to be objective

    The President - Obama comes out a winner here, though not quite as much as he would've if this happened earlier. Ultimately after 2010 Obama needed to pull a Clinton and angle center a bit. He's not done it nearly as well as Clinton did, but cutting the budget was one of the few things he did try to use to make that move. Getting a budget passed, and having it with cuts, is a benefit to him politically.

    The Republicans - This is primarily the House Republicans here, and I think they absolutely came out a winner. While some of the social riders did not get passed, the primary thing they were focused on...reducing of the budget...succeeded. From the start of the CR's they've cut $53 billion, which is only about $10 billion less than their original compromised number they through out. Not a bad result. Yes, their riders failed, however I think they were more bargaining chips than anything. Many of the Tea Party House Republicans will benefit far more due to the cut in budget and the fact they stayed firm on THAT issue, as many Tea Partiers main concern was electing people to see them immedietely abandon what they were saying. I think the Republicans would've been far more hurt if they had got to keep some of the social riders and yet didn't cut the budget as much. This budget battle showed, at least in the short term, that these new Republicans aren't going to compromise away their fiscal principles largely.

    The Democrats - This is a wash here I believe. They get points for not having the government shut down, which I believe would've hurt them greatly due to their constituents being largely affected. At the same time, you had the Republicans driving home that this should've been passed 6 months ago when they had a majority compared to the Democrats saying Republicans wanted to take away women's health care. I think the more realistic and less sensationalized message is going to be the more lasting one. The debate here was simply not in their favor. While they can sell the removal of the riders to their people, essentially they gave the Republicans what they wanted and in return got to have the Republicans to remove the bonus content on top.

    So Obama helped himself some, Republicans helped themselves a decent bit, and the Democrats came out neutral to a bit down.

    This entire time though is going to be a mostly afterthought to all but government workers. 2012's budget fight is going to be far more important to all of them, with Republicans pushing for an actual significant cut, Democrats fighting for what they think is more reasonable, and Obama straddled with the situation of figuring where to fall and how to play it. The next 6 months is going to be very interesting budgetarily

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    No one won! AT least not until Obama leaves and Harry Reid dies.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I didn't post about your fantasies? You're right, I don't post about fake history.



    Republicans prevented passage of the 2011 Omnibus Budget Bill in December, 2010.
    So you are admitting that the democrats, with massive majorities in the house and senate AND control of the white house, failed to pass their budget proposals. In case you missed it...the Fed fiscal year ends in Sept and begins in Oct. And you swant to blame republicans in December.

    Honestly dood...you make things too easy. You come across just as silly as those democrats that lined up to the microphone and proclaimed that fiscal accountability means republicans want to kill women and children. YOU and THEY, dood...seriously.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    The Denocrats lose because it was clear they shoudl have passed a bill much earlier. Republicans lose because they look petty and too linked to the tea party. The president managed to appear above the fray, which gives a slight win to a very poor effort all around.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    I wanted to vote depends or neither. This was just a stop gap for the 2012 budget. The outcome of that bill will be the result of the positions gained in this bill. I think the Republicans were smart to not waste political capital on a bill that was never going to accomplish much. 2012 better come out balanced or damn near.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I wanted to vote depends or neither. This was just a stop gap for the 2012 budget. The outcome of that bill will be the result of the positions gained in this bill. I think the Republicans were smart to not waste political capital on a bill that was never going to accomplish much. 2012 better come out balanced or damn near.
    I think if the conservative republicans are smart (OK...strike one) they will start right now educating the general populace on just how ****ed we are economically, what we are actually spending every year, and what the long term implications are. They need to project serious and honest need for across the board cuts and even tax increases. Let the dems continue to come across like...well...like they have been the last few months. If thats not enough to convince people then people dont want to be convinced. There are those crippled and dependent pets that exist on government cheese and spending...forget 'em...they are unreachable. There are the mindless ideologues...forget them as well...they are locked into their partisan mentality (and yeah...that includes the automatons on the right that reject any tax increases or cuts in defense spending). Intelligent, reasoned, rational people can see this annual deficit and overall debt for the nightmare that it will be unless there is some serious action.

    14.5 trillion and counting folks. Its not going to get better without MAJOR cuts across the board.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The Denocrats lose because it was clear they shoudl have passed a bill much earlier. Republicans lose because they look petty and too linked to the tea party. The president managed to appear above the fray, which gives a slight win to a very poor effort all around.
    How can a president who does not get involved in one of the most important issues of the day until the last minute be considered a winner excet by those who blindly follow him.

    To the extent that republicans have changed the fundemental debate about federal spending they had a win of large proportions. They may have lost some of the win in political terms because they allowed Reid and Obama to demagoge on side issues that were never going to happen and where probably considered by Boehner as nothing more than bargaining chips.

    If you look at the start of this fight, rebulicans put out of committee a budget that cut something like $35 billion, they allowed the number to get pushed to 61 billion. Then the settled for 38 billion. Most people familiar with nogotiations would say Boehner did better than Reid/Obama. But like I said Reis/Obama won the demagoge war. Republicans and democrats will look back at this battle like generals after a war and decide how to exploit where they saw weaknesses, and adopt what they saw as strenghts.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    How can a president who does not get involved in one of the most important issues of the day until the last minute be considered a winner excet by those who blindly follow him.

    To the extent that republicans have changed the fundemental debate about federal spending they had a win of large proportions. They may have lost some of the win in political terms because they allowed Reid and Obama to demagoge on side issues that were never going to happen and where probably considered by Boehner as nothing more than bargaining chips.

    If you look at the start of this fight, rebulicans put out of committee a budget that cut something like $35 billion, they allowed the number to get pushed to 61 billion. Then the settled for 38 billion. Most people familiar with nogotiations would say Boehner did better than Reid/Obama. But like I said Reis/Obama won the demagoge war. Republicans and democrats will look back at this battle like generals after a war and decide how to exploit where they saw weaknesses, and adopt what they saw as strenghts.
    Winner by not losing. He did not seem part of the silliness. But don't worry, it was only a slight edge. Hardly praise worthy, and only because of how bad the other two looked.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Winner by not losing. He did not seem part of the silliness. But don't worry, it was only a slight edge. Hardly praise worthy, and only because of how bad the other two looked.
    OK I see what you mean. What I would call: Cream of the crap.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    OK I see what you mean. What I would call: Cream of the crap.
    I'll accept that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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