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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    CP, his "aloof" presence maintained a sort of paternal appeal. He was able to, at least somewhat, come off as a parent in a sophisticated dispute. Obama may or may not have a one-trick pony in being the aloof person who comes in to "close the deal", but so far it may be working in his favor (even if we incorrectly label it as a neo-Clintonian appeal). Social Security reform is not what I would compare it to, as it was not his party who set off on such a track. With Bush, the problem was his own party on leading on their own conceived legislative mandate. Here it is the President of the United States trying to be a leader in spite of recent developments from the other party gaining immense strength.
    Is anuone else here tired of reading/hearing the trite term that hack politicians use. Adult now murphed into parent. What is parentlike about not doing the right thing and leaving it to your children to fix your problems.

    We probably should have taken a hint when it was discussed how many times this weak excuse of a leader voted "present" in Ill.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Your poll left off the option of BOTH.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Presidential elections are more often than not a reaction to the incumbent, rejection or approval. Obama was not Bush, nothing like him.
    yeah, because Bush got us in over our heads with deficit spending while Obama.....

    oh, well, um, Bush bailed out the car companies and banks while Obama...... err.....

    well, Bush launched a campaign that many considered ill-advised against a third-world Arab dictator who was brutal in his treatment of his people whereas Obama..... hmmmm

    okay, okay, how about; Bush failed to defend the border, in complete contrast to Obama who has... umm...

    OH, i know: Bush tried to revive the economy through keynesian economic stimulus, whereas Obama is way totally smarter than that and he... huh.....

    dramatically increased the reach of the federal government....
    sought to increase spending on domestic issues such as education.....
    kept prisoners in Gitmo....
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    how exactly, again, is this guy not just George W Obama?

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    I couldn't vote for any of the choices, because the government won the budget debate. Anytime the government in it's current status wins approriation of any sort it wins and the American people lose. Our governmetn is out of control and has been for generations, and we now find ourselves watching our governmetn argue over how to charge on the credit card. I think the government refuse to read the credit agreement because..well it ain't my money I'm spendin.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Candice Lynn View Post
    Your poll left off the option of BOTH.
    Also that of "neither/no one," and "nobody won, the battle's not over yet."
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Also that of "neither/no one," and "nobody won, the battle's not over yet."
    The response that one one won, seems to fly in the face of reality. Unless you are talking about the politics of the matter and not the substance. One side wanted zero cuts, as a matter of fact they wanted increased spending. The other side, first wanted about $33 billion, raised the ante to $61 billion and got a result of $38 billion. If that is a no win, most people would take it every time.

    Sometimes people get so rapped up in the sidebars that they miss the fact based result.

    Besides all that the entire debate around government spending has been changed for at least the next 18 months. The Obama budget is now a bad joke. He will never talk about it again and now feign he is a budget cutter at heart. The change in the debate is the real win.

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    … Ive missed the posts where you leveled your scorn at the democrats for failing to so much as propose, let alone pass their budget last year. …
    I didn't post about your fantasies? You're right, I don't post about fake history.

    Excerpted from “Sen. GOP Leader Kills Omnibus Bill” by Trish Turner, Fox News, December 16, 2010
    Sen. GOP Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has long been known as an effective whip, and Thursday night he showed his prowess as he effectively stripped Democrats of the GOP votes needed to pass the $1.2 trillion omnibus spending bill, killing the measure for good. …

    A McConnell aide said the leader "worked the phones" for days, pressing his members to quash the bill which contains $8 billion in earmarks (1% of the overall bill), several that belonged to the leader, himself, before he agreed to a pork moratorium.

    Tempers flared in the chamber quickly, as Republicans gloated. …
    Republicans prevented passage of the 2011 Omnibus Budget Bill in December, 2010.
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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Is anuone else here tired of reading/hearing the trite term that hack politicians use. Adult now murphed into parent. What is parentlike about not doing the right thing and leaving it to your children to fix your problems.

    We probably should have taken a hint when it was discussed how many times this weak excuse of a leader voted "present" in Ill.
    and has since sought ways to vote "present" in Lybia, "present" in Afghanistan... who farmed out the "Stimulus" and "obamacare" to Congress.....


    ... but who always has time for a round of golf!


    he's just not that into - you know - "governing".

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    an interesting addendum to that point:

    WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama wants you to know that he is not a golf addict.

    He spends so much time unwinding on the links because security restrictions mean he can't go out for long walks or go to the carwash or the grocery store...

    The president said he loves his life in the White House but doesn't enjoy some of the ways of Washington, such as the "kabuki dance" among political partisans before serious policy discussions begin. He also regrets his loss of personal privacy.

    "I just miss - I miss being anonymous," he said at the meeting in the White House. "I miss Saturday morning, rolling out of bed, not shaving, getting into my car with my girls, driving to the supermarket, squeezing the fruit, getting my car washed, taking walks. I can't take a walk."

    He says he enjoys golf but is not the fanatic that some have portrayed.

    "It's the only excuse I have to get outside for four hours at a stretch," he said...
    aw man... you mean being the president is part of public service?

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    Re: Who won the budget deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I didn't post about your fantasies? You're right, I don't post about fake history.



    Republicans prevented passage of the 2011 Omnibus Budget Bill in December, 2010.
    December, 2010 was post elections. Democrats should have passed the 2011 budget before Oct. 1st, 2010 (beginning of new fical year) but they didn't want to have thier votes go on the record before the people voted.

    Argument: FAIL
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