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    Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    It looks as if a government shutdown is extremely likely to occur at midnight tonight. When that happens essential employees will continue to work, but will not be paid until the shutdown ends. Non-essential employees will be furloughed without their salaries. In 1996, when passing the new budget, the congresses authorized backpay for the employees that were furloughed. Whether or not that will occur for this shutdown is unknown. My question to you is should it be?

    Going against the notion of back pay is a couple of things that I can think of. First and foremost, these individuals will not have worked adn thus shouldn't be entitled to pay. Additionally, as we know we're in a financially troubled time in this country and not paying them would mean more money to be used elsewhere.

    On the flip side, these individuals are not striking. They are not choosing to not work. They are being forced out of their job because the Congress is not successfully doing theirs. They are already being punished by essentially having their salaries at the very least delayed, potentially causing issues for various bills and expenses, and by causing their workload to significantly pile up. Should they have extra punishment placed on top for Congresses ineptitude by not just delaying, but cutting, their salaries?

    So what do you all say? Should there be back pay, should they be paid nothing, or some other alternative?

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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It looks as if a government shutdown is extremely likely to occur at midnight tonight. When that happens essential employees will continue to work, but will not be paid until the shutdown ends. Non-essential employees will be furloughed without their salaries. In 1996, when passing the new budget, the congresses authorized backpay for the employees that were furloughed. Whether or not that will occur for this shutdown is unknown. My question to you is should it be?

    Going against the notion of back pay is a couple of things that I can think of. First and foremost, these individuals will not have worked adn thus shouldn't be entitled to pay. Additionally, as we know we're in a financially troubled time in this country and not paying them would mean more money to be used elsewhere.

    On the flip side, these individuals are not striking. They are not choosing to not work. They are being forced out of their job because the Congress is not successfully doing theirs. They are already being punished by essentially having their salaries at the very least delayed, potentially causing issues for various bills and expenses, and by causing their workload to significantly pile up. Should they have extra punishment placed on top for Congresses ineptitude by not just delaying, but cutting, their salaries?

    So what do you all say? Should there be back pay, should they be paid nothing, or some other alternative?
    They should be paid nothing. Unless they choose to use personal, sick or vacation days. They get plenty; let 'em use 'em. A government shutdown should not be extra vacation time.
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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    I voted no. But really, it depends on how long it lasts.
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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Yes they should get backpay, it's not their fault the government shut down.
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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yes they should get backpay, it's not their fault the government shut down.
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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Only the Employees that are still working during the shutdown like the Military should get back pay for work rendered.

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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Okay quick question before I answer, during the last shut down did the VA hospital employees still get paid?

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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Like you said: no work, no pay. In the private sector, any job is at risk of the whim of the employer and of the economy. In the public sector, any job is at a political risk. There is always a risk to any job. We cannot guarantee work for public employees. That would be ridiculous.

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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    I'm guessing that this eventuality must be covered in the public employees' contracts of employment. What does that say?
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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm guessing that this eventuality must be covered in the public employees' contracts of employment. What does that say?
    Well for the DoD they do not have to back pay Civi Employees.

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