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Thread: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Unlike the civilian government employee, we are contracted, which means that we will get our back pay in the end. Civilians can just quit and move into private sector. We are bound by contract and will be invited to a Court Martial if we dare "quit."

    Of course, I have my own thought. Since both Democrats and Republicans are using the military as that hapless victim, yet again, to push their agendas and blames on each other... I believe that the Joint Chiefs of Staff should shut our military down along with all the civilians that are so easily dismissed by our elected pieces of **** in Washington. All those deployed are to hunker down on the bases and those about to deploy should just stay at home until called. I guarantee the traitors in Washington would sign any damn thing that is presented to them within days to avoid the stigma of embarrassment while we become the nation's heroes. What would they do? Court Martial a million of us?

    Turkey's military seems to coup every 15 years or so and hits the reset button on their democracy. Now, being a good Marine of sound discipline I would never suggest such a thing, but at what point does the American military's responsibility go towards the American people against those in Washington who seem hell bent on betraying them?
    I don't agree with you on much, but being a veteran I have to agree 100%.

    Those are as Cpgrad08 said, very dangerous words in this day and age.

    PS: To be honest I am actually nervous agreeing with it on a public forum.
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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I hate our government sometimes. XD
    Only sometimes? Our elected civilian leaders are the ultimate failures in our society. They fail at peace and ram us into war. Then, due to their complete celebration of ignorance, they can't explain the wars or the cultures within them. Then they force themselves into the war screwing things up just to salvage a sense of accompllishment at troop expense. Then, after taking turns screwing up our budget situation for years, while preaching about creating jobs and economy, they throw boogers at each other in the Halls of Washington while ramming people into furloughs and bad personal economic situations.

    Only sometimes?

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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't agree with you on much, but being a veteran I have to agree 100%.
    You should agree with me on everything, because I am way smart and work out.

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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Only sometimes? Our elected civilian leaders are the ultimate failures in our society. They fail at peace and ram us into war. Then, due to their complete celebration of ignorance, they can't explain the wars or the cultures within them. Then they force themselves into the war screwing things up just to salvage a sense of accompllishment at troop expense. Then, after taking turns screwing up our budget situation for years, while preaching about creating jobs and economy, they throw boogers at each other in the Halls of Washington while ramming people into furloughs and bad personal economic situations.

    Only sometimes?
    OK. All the time. :-P

    Well since 1995 anyway.
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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    They have to keep working, but why'd they have to keep earning? It is their refusal to work properly (i.e. pas a budget) that is causing all this. That others suffer while the perpetrators sit pretty is pretty sick.
    Because essentially under the law as it stands there's just two designations, exempted and non-exempted. Exempted are essentially garaunteed their back pay because they're continuing to work and the government has to pay them for work. Non-Exempted are actually legally not allowed to work. IE, its a federal offense to work when you're not being paid for it as a non-exempted. To the point where they actually take peoples blackberries away apparently in some places because the use of it for any word business at all is illegal.

    So under the law as it stands they either work, and get paid in the end, or they don't work, and they don't get paid.

    They could concievably do three things about this...

    They could pass a new law creating a third status specifically for them that allows them to work but not be paid.

    They could pass a new law creating a third status specifically for them that pays them but at a severely reduced salary (such as Goodell taking a $1 sallary as commissioner during the lock out).

    They could simply give their money away in some form after they get paid.

    But as the law stands now, if they didn't get paid they couldn't work on getting a new budget. Its annoying and dumb, and I hope they do something about it, but that's the reason for it at the time being.

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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If their services are non essential, why do we keep them on? Let's spend what money we have on the essential services, then balance the budget.
    Please read post #15 and then respond if you want to make this comment.

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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    That's some Dangerous talk right there.
    I'm a dangerous guy. We are icing on their **** cupcake. You may as well embrace it now....

    We are used for sympathy by both parties to fool the average citizen into votes. We are portrayed as hapless victims of corporate greed by protestors and critics to fool the average citizen for their votes. We are "Troops to Support" when convenient and especially in front of microphones to fool the average citizen into votes. We are constantly dropped into situations we aren't trained for as politicians preach their ideologies and humanitarianisms to fool the average citizen into votes. And this isn't just about their decrepit behaviors towards the military.

    Does any minority still think a Democrat is a friend? Does any middle class worker think a Republican is a friend?

    Like I always state, "past the voters booth, you simply don't matter." And if you are military, you matter less. But we Americans like our illusions don't we?

    I paraphrase Lentulus Batiatus from the Capua ludus, "Words fall from their mouths like **** from ass."
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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Please read post #15 and then respond if you want to make this comment.
    Oh, so non essential doesn't actually mean that their work is not essential.

    My bad. I should know by now that terms used by the government don't mean what Daniel Webster had in mind.
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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, so non essential doesn't actually mean that their work is not essential.

    My bad. I should know by now that terms used by the government don't mean what Daniel Webster had in mind.
    As I've told my bosses and coworkers often...

    Silly [person], you were thinking logic and common sense applied to the government.


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    Re: Should non-essential employees get back pay?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They should be paid nothing. Unless they choose to use personal, sick or vacation days. They get plenty; let 'em use 'em. A government shutdown should not be extra vacation time.
    All leave is officially cancelled during a furlough by statute. Therefore they can't use it. I wonder if people on welfare lose their money.
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