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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Bull****, I've done voluntary work with the Salvos, no-one was turned away if they were in need.
    All you have to do is look, but instead, you pretend that just because you didn't see it, it doesn't happen. Hardly surprising.

    Lown et al. v. The Salvation Army et al. (Challenging government-funded, faith-based practices of The Salvation Army)
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    All you have to do is look, but instead, you pretend that just because you didn't see it, it doesn't happen. Hardly surprising.

    Lown et al. v. The Salvation Army et al. (Challenging government-funded, faith-based practices of The Salvation Army)
    Congratulations, you posted an article that not only had nothing to do with the Salvos refusing to 'feed people who don't profess religious beliefs', but also said that the case against them was dismissed.
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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Congratulations, you posted an article that not only had nothing to do with the Salvos refusing to 'feed people who don't profess religious beliefs', but also said that the case against them was dismissed.
    Which only proves you didn't read the article, which is hardly a surprise:

    In a settlement agreement signed by a federal judge on Feb. 16, 2010, the government defendants adopted auditing procedures or standards of conduct to ensure that The Salvation Army does not force people in need of government-funded services to engage in religious activities, such as worship or religious instruction. The procedures and standards will also ensure that recipients of social services are not discriminated against because of their religious beliefs.

    As part of the settlement, the NYCLU will receive regular reports from the government agencies on The Salvation Army’s compliance with the agreement. A federal court will maintain jurisdiction over the agreement for two years to ensure that it is enforced.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which only proves you didn't read the article, which is hardly a surprise:
    Where in that sentence does it say they didn't feed 'cause of their religious beliefs? The judge ruled they're not allowed to do that, but I'm yet to see any evidence that it's happened.
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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do realize that those atheists factors were religious. The belief in a supreme being is not required for something to be a religion. Enviro-loons for example are religious even though a great number of them are atheists. Enviro-loons have a certain set of beliefs and practices agreed up by a lot of enviro-loons and they agree to those beliefs and practices.



    Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

    noun
    1.
    a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
    2.
    a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
    3.
    the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
    4.
    the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
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    the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
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    something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
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    religions, Archaic . religious rites.
    You are preaching to the wrong person about the what can be a religion thing.

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Where in that sentence does it say they didn't feed 'cause of their religious beliefs? The judge ruled they're not allowed to do that, but I'm yet to see any evidence that it's happened.
    Because a judge is going to rule that they can't do that out of the blue. Sure. Judges have nothing better to do than rule on things that don't happen.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because a judge is going to rule that they can't do that out of the blue. Sure. Judges have nothing better to do than rule on things that don't happen.
    Well then provide the situation that caused the judge to rule thus, if the judge didn't just rule out of the blue, then there should be a case of it happening.
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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They also refuse to feed people who don't profess religious beliefs and you have to pray with them to get a bed for the night. They're a really poor example of a positive religious influence.
    Gotta link for that?

    Let's say that you're correct. How many hundreds of millions of people have been helped by the Salvation Army vs. people they've refused to help? Do know that the Salvation Army is in Japan, as we speak? Alotta Buhdists in Japan.

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