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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    The world might be better if people actually followed their religions like they should...

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The world might be better if people actually followed their religions like they should...
    Or, if people just thought rationally, there would be no reason for anyone to follow any religion in the first place.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Or, if people just thought rationally, there would be no reason for anyone to follow any religion in the first place.
    So what, exactly, is rational about purporting life came into being by a series of improbable coincidences?
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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    Do you believe the world would be better off without religion?

    I would have to guess “no difference”. Religious groups undeniably do a lot of good in the world, but there are also many wars centered on religious differences. Without religion, I believe there would still be the good deeds - those people who do such deeds do so because it is in their nature and a church (for example) is just their means, but other means would be used instead (i.e. nonprofits). I also believe mankind would still find something to go to war over (and so religion is just an excuse to fight over something - basically that war is in our nature too)… and so I don’t think there would be much of a difference. Our actions are not in spite of or because of religion. Religion is just a means to multiple ends that all derive from human nature.
    I think what generates love, hope, prosperity and goodness throughout the world is the closeness of community. Unfortunately, most human groups need a reason to feel connected to each other, and I can't think of a single reason (besides the simple close proximity of location) that doesn't come attached with some sort of us v. them mentality. Communities congregate based on religious views, political views, ethnic ties, and/or racial ties. Unless we can simply promote the proximity of location as a sole means to get people together to mingle and share feelings and to form a strong cohesive bond, we'll never be able to rid this country, or the world, of so much anger and war.

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I think it's a little of both. Its too much stress and tension to think that the world is not being guided towards a certain path by a superior being, so I prefer to believe that God just made things this way for something we don't understand yet. So...God made it so this is just the way it is, IMO.
    Oh, me too. I just don't like the idea of people who don't believe in god getting down about themselves feeling unimportant. If they can't turn to god is there anything that could make them more content? Either way, creation or evolution, we are clearly living miracles.

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    So what, exactly, is rational about purporting life came into being by a series of improbable coincidences?
    It's supported by every shred of evidence that we have, unlike the existence of imaginary friends in the sky.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's supported by every shred of evidence that we have, unlike the existence of imaginary friends in the sky.
    Has anybody ever figured out the odds of life today? With all the death and diseases and wars and famine and disasters, what are the odds of a life surviving every single one of them? More than winning the lottery every day for ten years? Something like that. It would be a big project but we could come up with a very good estimate of the odds.

    You understand what I'm saying? I have a dad and he had a dad and he had a dad and...........green slime. The chain has never been broken for anyone alive for tens of millions of years. Is there a part of evolutionism that admits "That's just a miracle!" Is there any other word that could be used?

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Nah, here's a few cool things religion has given us:
    Holy Crap, Religion gave us Tetris?!

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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Has anybody ever figured out the odds of life today? With all the death and diseases and wars and famine and disasters, what are the odds of a life surviving every single one of them? More than winning the lottery every day for ten years? Something like that. It would be a big project but we could come up with a very good estimate of the odds.

    You understand what I'm saying? I have a dad and he had a dad and he had a dad and...........green slime. The chain has never been broken for anyone alive for tens of millions of years. Is there a part of evolutionism that admits "That's just a miracle!" Is there any other word that could be used?
    No, because for every you that exists right now, there are many many more that didn't. The odds of you being here may be one in a trillion, and each of those alternatives are one in a trillion, and there are a trillion attempts... Someone will make it. Life is actually a statistical imperative. It takes a staggering number of coincidences for life to not only exist on a planet, but for it to exist like this... The odds are tiny. But in this vast universe, there are many many many many many possible planets. Many of them have some of the qualifications met. Some have others. Statistically, one of them (or more), is likely to have them all. And maybe it's not quite an imperative. Maybe the size of the universe only belies a one in three chance for life. That's suddenly less a miracle and more just a good roll in Yachzee.

    To reply to the main question. Religion is largely obsolete, I feel. When these faiths were created, they were a way for dealing with the world. To answer unanswered questions. In some cases, we have better answers. In others, where the theories have stood the test of time, they were good ideas by their own merits.
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    Re: Would the world would be better off without religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No, because for every you that exists right now, there are many many more that didn't. The odds of you being here may be one in a trillion, and each of those alternatives are one in a trillion, and there are a trillion attempts... Someone will make it. Life is actually a statistical imperative. It takes a staggering number of coincidences for life to not only exist on a planet, but for it to exist like this... The odds are tiny. But in this vast universe, there are many many many many many possible planets. Many of them have some of the qualifications met. Some have others. Statistically, one of them (or more), is likely to have them all. And maybe it's not quite an imperative. Maybe the size of the universe only belies a one in three chance for life. That's suddenly less a miracle and more just a good roll in Yachzee.

    To reply to the main question. Religion is largely obsolete, I feel. When these faiths were created, they were a way for dealing with the world. To answer unanswered questions. In some cases, we have better answers. In others, where the theories have stood the test of time, they were good ideas by their own merits.
    Thank you! It's certainly an honor to receive your good reply and I thank you for your time and assistance. I'll have to ponder for a bit about this. I'm a little overwhelmed by you intelligence but it will come to me in short time.

    Just letting you know I have received and am grateful for your reply.

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