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Thread: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

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    Re: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Where is the option "Help Islamists to establish Muslim State in Lybia"?
    Because Gadaffi was clearly an athiest.
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    Re: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Because Gadaffi was clearly an athiest.
    Actually Alfons has a point here, namely that Gadaffi and his regime was for the most part secular, and the US needed his cooperation in keeping the extremists at bay. He was nominally an ally in the fight against extremism until we decided that rebellions are cute.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Actually Alfons has a point here, namely that Gadaffi and his regime was for the most part secular, and the US needed his cooperation in keeping the extremists at bay. He was nominally an ally in the fight against extremism until we decided that rebellions are cute.
    By secular you mean enforcing Sharia Law? And keeping extremists at bay by funding dozens of Islamic and Communist terrorists across the globe from Indonesia to Palestine to Colombia? He's just as bad as any other North African or Middle Eastern dictator, he merely happened to be friendly to the US, so it was largely ignored.
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    Re: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    By secular you mean enforcing Sharia Law? And keeping extremists at bay by funding dozens of Islamic and Communist terrorists across the globe from Indonesia to Palestine to Colombia? He's just as bad as any other North African or Middle Eastern dictator, he merely happened to be friendly to the US, so it was largely ignored.
    You're correct. His ideology, to the extent that he even has one, is hard to characterize. But I don't think his regime can truly be characterized as "Islamist," Sharia law or no.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You're correct. His ideology, to the extent that he even has one, is hard to characterize. But I don't think his regime can truly be characterized as "Islamist," Sharia law or no.
    Well my understanding of the word Islamist is Muslims who do, or wish to, combine religion and politics, which he'd fit under, while certainly not as bad as the Taliban or Iran, he does fund groups whose stated goal is the spread of Islam, including, and I mention this just for lulz, the MILF (Moro Islamic Liberation Front).
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    Re: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaddaf View Post
    Is the bombardation in Lybia another fake war (like Iraq's one) to get oil deposits??
    If you honestly believe that Bush lied for war or that the war in Iraq is for oil then you are no better than the birthers, Truffers, and other retards who believe in conspiracy theories.

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    Re: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

    NATO want to help civilians ....... C'mon

    No one knows who are the rebels, where did they come from, what they want, who equip them with weapons & moneys.
    No one knows today what's the percentage of people pro and against Gaddaf.
    As for people of Libya seems they are not supporting rebels at all. Only USA, France and England is supporting them.
    France's oil usage is 60% from Lybian oil. And relationship between France and Lybia broke up when Gaddaf decide to increase oil price.

    Lybia, Yemen, Syria, Cote D'Ivore, Egypt, Tunisia and much more countries had same scenario which in my opinion were artificial ones.

    As for Iraq ... wasn't it enough obvious a war for oil?? Or USA is still in search of chemical weapons??
    Or about Adganistan? Still in search for bin Laden?

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    Re: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaddaf View Post
    Is the bombardation in Lybia another fake war (like Iraq's one) to get oil deposits??
    a better question might be: "Does anyone one know what us bombing Libya is supposed to - actually, like, you know - achieve?"

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    Re: Is the bombardation in Lybia a war to get oil deposits??

    WikiLeaks: U.S. secretly backed Syria opposition - CBS News

    Syria, Lybia, Egypt, Cote D'Ivore, Tunisia, Yemen ect ect .... everywhere you can find a trace of USA.

    In the US the corporate news medias have blinded and blunted the public opinion and offer soap news instead and responsible journalism.

    Thnx god we have wikileaks nowdays.

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