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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How? Government was the one that stopped it due to reform and changes.
    They stopped what they were previously supporting, the robber barons.

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    Unregulated capitalism leads to worker abuse, monopolies, and a massive gap between the rich and poor.
    Now you're just repeating yourself and not addressing my arguments...

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    It doesn't result in more competitive workers being paid more, it results in their abuse.
    I don't think you have a firm grasp on supply and demand, or the history if wages.

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    Free market unregulated capitalism would abolish minimum wage, workers rights, and essentially hands everything over to a minute few rich CEOs.
    I'd be fine with the first 2, for the only rights we need are constitutional, and the latter being meaningless tripe. Nothing gets handed over so long as these CEO's cannot also use the government for protection.

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    Companies would penny pinch to pay the least amount that they can in order to maximize profit.
    Again, not inherently bad. Nor are profits, in fact profits = success.

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    Health care would become a business were you could be turned away if you can't afford to pay for life saving medical attention.
    Thats what it is, thats how it started, and it would be just as affordable as it used to be when doctors made house calls had the government not gotten involved and screwed up the costs, and people started using their insurance for common procedures/visits/medication.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You would have the "haves" and "have nots" and this would become US society. I think it's a fantasy to believe that under no restrictions and totally pure capitalism that good workers would be payed more simply because they can do their job well.
    False dichotomy. We would exist under a bell curve, "each according to his ability." Yes income inequality will be higher, which I'm fine with.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    And you call yourself a libertarian? I think you should reconsider.

    Listen to the Neal Boortz show, or go to Boortz.com for comments.

    Atlas Shrugged is the greatest novel of all time. It is also the greatest selling novel of all time.
    I don't know what's more funny....a Borg mentality or the fact that a radio show host is one of your favorite places for information.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, I haven't. I think I intentionally passed on it, but perhaps I will revisit it, considering my reaction may have been initially harsh. Some films are just well-done even though the political ideology is at the forefront. Good Night and Good Luck is one of those films, for me.
    It's not quite of the class of Goodnight and Good Luck, but it's a good knock-about thriller with a few points to make about integrity, trust and ethical foreign policy. I'd be interested in your thoughts.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    I'll probably see the movie, just because the book inspires such emotion (either in defense of, or against it). FWIW, I don't find the ideals of "objectivism" to be even plausible for human beings to achieve. Many people think they are being objective, but in reality they are not. Objectivism has no place in politics, because of the bland nature of it. Most everybody that thinks they are objective viewers do nothing but offer their own evaluations of objective data, which is not objectivism.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Yeah, I saw plenty about it before it came out, but I thought it was not at least trying to pump some originality out of the concept. Then again, even when films do, I can have the reaction of seeing it as charming if not incredibly naive.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I don't think you have a firm grasp on supply and demand, or the history if wages.
    I don't think you have a firm grasp on the fact that supply-and-demand are theoretical forces which do not and cannot operate untrammeled and in a free environment. There are far too many forces at work that distort the operation of s-and-d for it ever to be applicable to a living economic environment.

    Again, not inherently bad. Nor are profits, in fact profits = success.
    Not for the workers. A decent wage = success for the workers and that is often in conflict with delivering maximum optimal profit. In which case your libertarian society merely becomes one engulfed in class warfare, pretty much like the current state of affairs.

    We would exist under a bell curve, "each according to his ability." Yes income inequality will be higher, which I'm fine with.
    A society just waiting for the inequalities of income to become so huge that society explodes into civil war again. Nice prospect.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I tried to read the book, but the people in it were so unreal that I couldn't suspend disbelief long enough to get into it.
    Rand purposefully wrote her characters to be romanticized.
    That's kind of the point.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Rand purposefully wrote her characters to be romanticized.
    That's kind of the point.
    Why?

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Why?

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    Watched a few things about her and she said that she enjoyed romanticized art, saying that it inspires people to do great things.
    Something a long those lines.

    Romanticized man = ideal
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Could someone brief me on the beliefs/arguments of Ayn Rand? I haven't read his book nor have I heard much about him.
    You mean her.

    Here's a place where you can get a pretty good overview of her.

    Ayn Rand - Television Tropes & Idioms
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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