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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    And you call yourself a libertarian? I think you should reconsider.
    I should reconsider what? I've read the novel and didn't find it deserving of all the attention some give it.

    Why should I not consider myself Libertarian? I hold a lot of the same viewpoints of the LP, but like any political party, there are areas where we part ways. For example - their lack of any definitive foreign policy.

    I wouldn't consider the LP to be a party full of finger pointing, lock stepping lemmings and I'm sorry if you think that because I find Rand's painting of uptopia unrealistic and dry, that I'm not a Libertarian? That's on you.

    Listen to the Neal Boortz show, or go to Boortz.com for comments.
    For comments on what? The movie? The novel? Libertarianism?

    Atlas Shrugged is the greatest novel of all time. It is also the greatest selling novel of all time.
    That may be your opinion, but my opinion differs from yours. As a Libertarian, you should know all about personal choice.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    I may go if it looks attractive, which it kind of does. More than likely I will pass until it is released for the home markets. As much as I can support a classical liberal viewpoint in a Hollywood filled with vapid New Leftism, to see vapid classical liberalism does only a slight service for the movie going public and Hollywood luminaries, but does much damage as well.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Just look at America before the great depression, the mistreating of employees, child labor, paying of employees in "company money" instead of federal money. No outside agencies to determine the quality of products, and make sure they are safe. It would be terrible, pure capitalism doesn't work, just like pure socialism, doesn't work, a mixture of both is needed for a country to run successfully.
    What do you mean “doesn’t work”.

    Today we have a system on the verge of collapse. I know this sounds ridiculous, but that is what both McCain and Obama warned us as they suggested suspending an election campaign to find a solution to a system that “wasn’t working”

    In 1971 the system that was in place truly didn’t work, and we were called on the global fraud we were orchestrating.

    We are currently at 14 trillion in debt, and can’t even cut spending to levels necessary to stay at 14 trillion in debt. Your system doesn’t work, yet you continue to push it as if it does work.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I may go if it looks attractive, which it kind of does. More than likely I will pass until it is released for the home markets. As much as I can support a classical liberal viewpoint in a Hollywood filled with vapid liberalism, to see vapid classical liberalism does only a slight service for the movie going public and Hollywood luminaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    You're talking about the age of the robber barons. The problem with that argument is that it supports my case, because those who got away with such actions used the government to defend them from their workers.
    How? Government was the one that stopped it due to reform and changes. Unregulated capitalism leads to worker abuse, monopolies, and a massive gap between the rich and poor. It doesn't result in more competitive workers being paid more, it results in their abuse. Free market unregulated capitalism would abolish minimum wage, workers rights, and essentially hands everything over to a minute few rich CEOs. Companies would penny pinch to pay the least amount that they can in order to maximize profit. Health care would become a business were you could be turned away if you can't afford to pay for life saving medical attention. You would have the "haves" and "have nots" and this would become US society. I think it's a fantasy to believe that under no restrictions and totally pure capitalism that good workers would be payed more simply because they can do their job well.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    And you call yourself a libertarian? I think you should reconsider.

    Listen to the Neal Boortz show, or go to Boortz.com for comments.

    Atlas Shrugged is the greatest novel of all time. It is also the greatest selling novel of all time.
    Perhaps you should reconsider, and while you're at it look up how Ayn Rand felt about Libertarians. She abhorred the label and association with them.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    What do you mean “doesn’t work”.

    Today we have a system on the verge of collapse. I know this sounds ridiculous, but that is what both McCain and Obama warned us as they suggested suspending an election campaign to find a solution to a system that “wasn’t working”

    In 1971 the system that was in place truly didn’t work, and we were called on the global fraud we were orchestrating.

    We are currently at 14 trillion in debt, and can’t even cut spending to levels necessary to stay at 14 trillion in debt. Your system doesn’t work, yet you continue to push it as if it does work.
    It'd be nice if you could define some of the terms you're using, including "verge of collapse" "isn't working" and "your system."
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    No, I haven't. I think I intentionally passed on it, but perhaps I will revisit it, considering my reaction may have been initially harsh. Some films are just well-done even though the political ideology is at the forefront. Good Night and Good Luck is one of those films, for me.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How? Government was the one that stopped it due to reform and changes. Unregulated capitalism leads to worker abuse, monopolies, and a massive gap between the rich and poor. It doesn't result in more competitive workers being paid more, it results in their abuse. Free market unregulated capitalism would abolish minimum wage, workers rights, and essentially hands everything over to a minute few rich CEOs. Companies would penny pinch to pay the least amount that they can in order to maximize profit. Health care would become a business were you could be turned away if you can't afford to pay for life saving medical attention. You would have the "haves" and "have nots" and this would become US society. I think it's a fantasy to believe that under no restrictions and totally pure capitalism that good workers would be payed more simply because they can do their job well.
    ^^This.

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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It'd be nice if you could define some of the terms you're using, including "verge of collapse" "isn't working" and "your system."
    You are asking the wrong person.

    I didn't claim our economic system was on the verge of collapse, politicians did.

    I didn't say that pure capitalism didn't work, the person I responded to did.

    "your system", I can define. It is the system we operate under at this moment.

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