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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

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    And pure capitalism would be truly dysfunctional, and not feasible.
    How would "pure capitalism" be truly dysfunctional and not feasible? To whom?
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, which is sad. The system she described and desired would be truly dysfunctional and not feasible (which I also believe about Right wing American Conservatism).
    true, but what do you expect from a dysfunctional bitch?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    How would "pure capitalism" be truly dysfunctional and not feasible? To whom?
    I think we should define "pure capitalism" first before we dive into this debate.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Unregulated capitalism quickly leads to oppressive monopolies, a wide range of rich and poor, and abuse of the workers by their employed mega corporations. Capitalism is good only when properly regulated.
    No monopoly has ever existed without the help of governments, free trade does not cause monopolies governments do. But I do invite you to cite an example from history that supports your argument.

    Income inequality is not inherently a bad thing, and what do you mean by "abuse of the workers?" For example?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    How would "pure capitalism" be truly dysfunctional and not feasible? To whom?
    Read digs post.

    It would be terrible for everyone except the few people running cooperations. Workers would be exploited, products would have no basis for quality, it would be terrible.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    There's no such thing as pure capitalism; it is an ideal that doesn't exist in reality. Any capitalist system requires government support to sustain it.
    The only way governments sustain a capitalistic economy are by enforcing property rights, contracts, having law courts, and military/police.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think we should define "pure capitalism" first before we dive into this debate.
    People freely trading and employing, without tax, restriction, or violation of rights or property.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Read digs post.

    It would be terrible for everyone except the few people running cooperations. Workers would be exploited, products would have no basis for quality, it would be terrible.
    Considering there has never been a truly "pure capitalism" in existence, how would you know this? My understanding of economics suggests that free markets would punish bad employers and poor quality producers.

    People find other jobs, and don't buy crap. Companies without employees or customers aren't long for this world.

    There was a time where discrimination and workplace safety laws had a place, that time has passed.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    The only way governments sustain a capitalistic economy are by enforcing property rights, contracts, having law courts, and military/police.
    Agreed.

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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    People freely trading and employing, without tax, restriction, or violation of rights or property.
    And where would the government get the revenue stream to fund the institutions that enforce those property rights, the entire legal system, and the military?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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