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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    I will use your tactic of defining Selfishness:

    Selfishness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Selfishness is harming someone else in order to help oneself"
    My tactic of defining selfishness? What you quoted was selfishness in game theory, you completely ignored the actual defintion. This is my tactic of defining selfishness, its called quoting Webster:

    1 : concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
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    But even if she merely means excessive self-interest, that is still immoral for the same reasons I have stated previously. Placing one's own needs or desires above those of others involves discrimination between oneself and others based on arbitrary factors.
    And how is it not discrimination if you place the needs of others above your own? That is self-descrimination without purpose. Why are the needs of others a moral imperative but yours are not? Are you not also someone else's "others"?

    What sense does it make for individuals to sacrifice their own needs for the sake of others needs, when economically speaking we're all better off if we act in our own rational self interest?

    Because when other people aren't taking care of themselves, their needs increase.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    As I said, it is unethical for the same reason as racism, even if through the course of it you do something ethically good, you are still doing so for unethical reasons.
    What a blatant contradiction in your logic: ethically bad = unethical
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    And how is it not discrimination if you place the needs of others above your own? That is self-descrimination without purpose. Why are the needs of others a moral imperative but yours are not? Are you not also someone else's "others"?
    This is a strawman. You are attributing an argument to me that I never made.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    What sense does it make for individuals to sacrifice their own needs for the sake of others needs, when economically speaking we're all better off if we act in our own rational self interest?
    We are discussing ethics, not economics. Rarely is a productive economic theory entirely ethical. But a quick note, there's no indication that we are better off economically when we only act in our own self-interest, or at the very least none that you have supplied.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Because when other people aren't taking care of themselves, their needs increase.
    I really don't know what this is in reference to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    What a blatant contradiction in your logic: ethically bad = unethical
    Call it what you will. Immoral, unethical, etc.

    I don't see where I have contradicted myself. Please quote it and explain why it is a contradiction. I have done so in explaining the illogicality of considering racism unethical but Objectivism to be an ethically valid set of ideals.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Actually, its quite the contrary as most people act as self interested individuals, in almost all manners of life.
    It's getting them to realize it, that is more of the point.
    How much of Ayn Rand's fiction illustrate how her philosophy treats those who are mentally retarded or suffer from mental disorders such as schizophrenia?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    How much of Ayn Rand's fiction illustrate how her philosophy treats those who are mentally retarded or suffer from mental disorders such as schizophrenia?
    Well it depends on how much you personally value treatment for those individuals.

    Objectivism ethics are typically misunderstood because people always associate, profit and value, with money and material possessions.
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Finally, part 1 of the Atlas Shrugged movie will be in theaters on April 15.

    Will you go see it?
    Huh??? Who or what is Atlas Shrugged?
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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Finally, part 1 of the Atlas Shrugged movie will be in theaters on April 15.

    Will you go see it?
    Not a chance.

    Look at how horribly wrong the movie people made The Lord of the Rings. And that was an interesting book with interesting characters.

    Can you imagine how bad Atlas Shrugged will be, considering the cartoon nature of Rand's characterizations? Not to mention that there's any chance in hell of them even getting the anti-socialism message right.

    It'll be out on DVD someday, and I'll be showing respect to the $ by not wasting any $ in the theaters.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Could someone brief me on the beliefs/arguments of Ayn Rand? I haven't read his book nor have I heard much about him.
    Take the short course. Bypass both the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged and pick up We the Living. It's a lot shorter and more solidly grounded in reality.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Upon reading about her (thanks for the links btw). I think she was crazy. And no, I will not see this movie.
    You should still read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead, just so you can see what drives the pinkos crazy.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Unregulated capitalism quickly leads to oppressive monopolies, a wide range of rich and poor, and abuse of the workers by their employed mega corporations. Capitalism is good only when properly regulated.
    Oppressive (ie, coercive) monopolies can only exist by abusing the powers of violence reserved to the governemnt. In a capitalist society government is denied that excess of power.

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    Re: Atlas Shrugged movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Randians are a blight on libertarianism. Valuing liberty is one thing, valuing selfishness is another thing altogether.
    Valueing selfishness is everything. One cannot have liberty if one does not defend one's freedom selfishly.

    You should try reading the Virtue of Selfishness before whining about it. Besides, your posts on other threads make it perfectly clear that you're a statist, not a libertarian.

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