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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    What if I say "Mohammed was jerk off who had an inflated sense of his own importance" and some bunch of ignorant losers takes offense and kills our troops or other citizens? Do we ban me from saying that?
    Should we send the bill for the damage caused by your insuits to your home or to your office? Could we arrange for you to meet the families of the soldiers who were killed defending your right to free speach so you can thank them?

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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    Bad comparison. Yelling fire in a theater creates the impression that there are circumstances, which deliberation of, could cause death. Such a scenario isn't created by burning a quran. people can deliberate after such an act and choose not to kill random people for it
    It's exactly the same! You are saying something with the purpose to cause panick and violence. It's the same thing/

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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Should we send the bill for the damage caused by your insuits to your home or to your office? Could we arrange for you to meet the families of the soldiers who were killed defending your right to free speach so you can thank them?
    If I go out and kill random people, because I'm deeply offended by your desire to curb free speech, are you liable for my actions? Should you pay the hospital bills of the people I assault and apologize to their families for what I did of my own volition?

    Such thinking would have done immeasurable damage to our country and stifled everything from the civil rights movement, to open discussion about evolution.

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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    It's exactly the same! You are saying something with the purpose to cause panick and violence. It's the same thing/
    Unless you think people in Afghanistan/Muslims lack all faculties of independent thought, and control over their action, then no, it's not the same.

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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    If we were going to do that, then virtually every political, religious, and philosophical text would be banned. Almost any speech can inspire murder. Should we have banned Catcher in the Rye, because that guy shot John Lennon? If we put people's feelings, even crazy/extremist people's feelings, above freedom, we become their slaves. Terry Jones is an ass, but the only ones responsible for the violence in Afghanistan are the killers themselves.
    What if a child was taught to be hateful and murderous. Would his killing spree be his fault alone?

    If there is no other purpose than pissing off foreigners then it should be banned. It is the governments job to pick our fights, not any insividuals.

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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    How about a no burning books rule. Maybe a book burning license only to be given to proper disposal authorities?

    I would prefer that Qu'rans and bibles weren't burned. How to effectively implement any way to do that is another question. Society sets the precedent. If people get up in arms 'literally' over it and begin killing other people. Maybe it should be illegal. Ya know.
    I would prefer it if they weren't burned either, same with the American flag, but if we compromise our right to free speech, the extremists, like the terrorist thugs who stormed the UN compound, will have truly won.
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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    What if a child was taught to be hateful and murderous.
    So you are saying Terry Jones taught these crazy nutjobs in the middle east to be hateful and murderous?


    Would his killing spree be his fault alone?
    Yes. Humans are not mindless machines.
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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    Unless you think people in Afghanistan/Muslims lack all faculties of independent thought, and control over their action, then no, it's not the same.
    I have no doubt that any person who commits suicide hijacking passenger jets is without any independent thought or any faculties. They are robots.

    Seriously, if anybody is so upset with the Koran that they would cause a war they should go to the mideast and preach the love of the bible. Do it under the guize of yoga fitness.

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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    If there is no other purpose than pissing off foreigners then it should be banned.
    Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, speech with minimal social value, and that which might incite others to imminent lawless action, or might incite an immediate breach of the peace is unprotected.

    Ergo, if that is the only reason, it is already unprotected speech. Or at least should be if that person is taken to court for that speech.
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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I have no doubt that any person who commits suicide hijacking passenger jets is without any independent thought or any faculties. They are robots.
    No, they are just like you an able to think over the consequences of their actions. Acting an ass doesn't change that, nor that many people choose not to behave in such a manner

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Seriously, if anybody is so upset with the Koran that they would cause a war they should go to the mideast and preach the love of the bible. Do it under the guize of yoga fitness.
    free speech isn't limited to the type that you approve of.

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