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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    We have to show some degree of respect for all the world's people. What's important is to protect our citizens' right to be completely offensive to Americans, not some other country with different beliefs and customs and laws.
    Most people do have respect. Every country is going to have some jerks and anyone with two brain cells knows that. The radicals know that most Americans are not that way, but they used one man's actions as an excuse to protest and kill innocent people.
    Besides, if it was unconstitutional does that gaurantee no one would burn it anyway? People break the law every day of the week.
    I mean, right now it is legal and you don't see people doing it on a daily basis.
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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    We could enforce laws to protect the human rights of those who have no say in our matters. We could have laws that prohibit the intentional harm with the sole purpose being to inflame and ignite rage in other countries. It would show very clearly that we are a noble people.
    Why don't we just demand the same thing of other countries? How would that work out? Do you think they would agree to be nobel? Do you think they would pass laws that made it illegal to burn bibles or the American flag?
    Lets just ask them to be tolerant of other religions. Yea, I'm sure they would agree.
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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    What if a child was taught to be hateful and murderous. Would his killing spree be his fault alone?
    Pretty much. Liberals are always trying to make excuses for pediphiles, rapists, murderers. Sure it's interesting to know how they were raised and what they went through in their childhood, but in the end, they are the ones who did the deed.
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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Oh, I was referring to the situation in general.

    Do you think muslims would burn the bible?
    I wouldn't care if they did, we have manufacturing capacity to more than replace them. Heck, the Gideons alone place tons of bibles everywhere.

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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am leaning no, but the difference is that is speech ended up getting people killed and put our service men and women at risk. I understand the Pentagon called the pastor and asked him to not do it. If people that high up in the government are concerned, then this an act we should all be concerned about.
    I want you on my jury if anyone is stupid enough to try to torch a flag in my presence!

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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Certainly, you said:

    The first amendment gives people the right to insult other peoples religions, the responses of other countries to that free speech is the prerogative of the other countries, not the person making the statement.
    Yes we are free to insult religions and we do it all the time.

    This is an interesting article. It shows a real double standard in the media when it comes to Muslims and Christians. When a Christian tried to destroy art that offended her she was blamed. When Muslims were offended by cartoons, the artist was blamed.
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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    But what if they don't seem unreasonable according to the book?
    Then all of them need burned, and not just one.
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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    I would be totally against anything from limiting free speech. Burning the Quran started violence in another country. Their problem with our laws is something they have to get over. I am tired of giving "Radical" Muslims their time in the spot light. MY family has served in just about every major conflict overseas, and no one stopped the Hippies from burning the flag or people in those countries from burning our nation's flag. We just kept on with our daily lives. No one harps if Muslims slander or desecrate a CHRISTIAN site, yet we as a nation are suppose to hinder to a small (but growing) group of people. Heterosexuals are forced to get along with Homosexuals and transgenders, Racists are forced to get along with those that they hate KKK vs Black Panthers and vice versa, yet cause someone says they are offended by the burning of a piece of literature, not stolen but properly acquired we are limiting free speech. Look at the church that is slandering fallen soldiers and protesting at their funeral. we have to accept that as free speech. If they ban the burning of the Quran cause of some small reason, I see it being taken up and being burned in spite just to spit in the face of the justice and legal system.

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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    "395 U.S. 444 (1969), argued 27 Feb. 1969, decided 9 June 1969 by unanimous vote; per curiam decision. Brandenburg v. Ohio was decided in the context of the significant expansion of First Amendment freedoms in the 1960s. It was the final step in the Supreme Court's tortuous fifty‐year development of a constitutional test for speech that advocates illegal action."

    "In its various incarnations, the old clear and present danger test had permitted the punishment of speech if it had a “tendency” to encourage or cause lawlessness (Schenck v. U.S., 1919), or if the speech was part of a broader dangerous political movement, like the Communist party (Dennis v. U.S., 1951). (See Communism and Cold War.) The Brandenburg test, however, allowed government to punish the advocacy of illegal action only if “such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action” (p. 447).
    By requiring an actual empirical finding of imminent harm, this test protects the advocacy of lawlessness except in unusual instances. But government may still punish speech that is demonstrably dangerous. The test is also distinctly more objective than the old danger test. Brandenburg is the linchpin of the modern doctrine of free speech, which seeks to give special protection to politically relevant speech and to distinguish speech from action"

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    The information to be taken from Brandenburg is there is no need for a blanket ban of any sort of speech; there is already a blanket precedent for it, which is great.
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    Re: Should Congress Ban Burning of the Quran

    We should ban murdering people for burning the Quran and see if that cools off some of the hate in the ME...

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