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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What pisses me off is the size of cuts should not be the debating point. We need cuts. What should be the debate is where the cuts come from. In some ways it is an easier debate to resolve.

    What also pisses me off is that if the government does "shut down", then that means to my mind that our government has failed us. They have been unwilling to do what it takes to represent their districts and the US itself. Thank god our founding fathers did not play the game the way modern politicians do.
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The Republicans promised to cut a tenth of a terabuck from this budget. They compromised to the point of cutting only sixty billion dollars.

    The president and the leftist insulted the will of the American people expressed last November by proposing a mere four billion dollars in cuts.

    100% of the blame lies with the President, for failing to lead, for being unable to surrender his obligations to the special interests. 100% of the blame also lies with the Democrats who can't seem to realize that the United States is broke and should not be borrowing money to continue paying their political pandering.
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    All of the above..
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault? The Republicans? The Democrats? The President? Who do you believe would be at fault if congress doesn't pass a spending bill that funds the government? Please explain your answers.
    I don't think any party can be blamed specifically. The fundamental problem is that the current political climate is not one where compromise is popular and the politicians are reacting to that public mood.

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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It is more the Democrats fault than the Republicans at this point because the Democrats DID have control of the House, Senate, and Presidency and yet still didn't pass a Budget during the first quarter of the Fiscal Year.
    True, but it wasn't the same kind of political hot button issue it is today, and very few will remember it. Timing is everything.

    The public interest now is NOT to pass a bill that will do more harm than good for the most people, mine too, and when Reid and Obama make the case on TV that the Reps budget will cost thousands of jobs and foreclosures, the media and public will go along with them.

    Any rebuttal the Reps make will be too convoluted for the average person to relate with.

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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    The Democrat Party, The Kenyan Tyrant, and the 50 million Obama Voters.........

    The Democrat Party....for disregarding their Constitutional Duty (nothing new) of passing a Budget........because they were too busy defying the Will of The American People and shoving their Bull**** legislation down out throats.

    The Kenyan Tyrant.....incapable of running a lemonade stand

    The 50 million Obama Voters......the most gullible and naive life forms on the planet, who elect these absolute nincompoops.....from The Most Inexperienced President in history to Nazi Pelosi to the ****stain Harry Reid.
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    It's our fault for voting all these crooks into office again and again.

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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Both the congressional Republicans and Democrats are at fault. The president less so.

    I hate the entire way we do annual budgets in this country. People shriek that spending is too high without even considering that in some cases, more spending now means less spending in the long run. I wish we had 5 year plans (or even better, 10 year plans) like they do in China, instead of annual budgets. Then we could worry more about how to reduce costs in the long run and minimize the structural deficit, instead of trying to minimize spending right now, which is stupid and counterproductive.

    each one of our budgets is a 10-year plan.



    The President deserves the lions' share of this one; Republicans in the House have passed their solution to keep the government funded; Democrats in the Senate have not done the same (nor have they even really attempted to), and the President has chosen the path of least resistance. his party and his nation deserve that he at least try to lead.
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    each one of our budgets is a 10-year plan.
    Nominally. The CBO will score them for their 10-year impact, Congress will nod and smile, and then go back to talking about how much money we're spending right now. I noticed this mindset during Paul Ryan's response to the SOTU this year. He noted that Obama referred to "investments" when he really meant "spending." Actually, no. He DID mean investments. Spending more money now often means that we spend less money overall. This is especially true in areas like health care, education, and infrastructure...which is a pretty sizable chunk of the federal budget right there.

    Yet many states (and possibly the federal government) are contemplating slashing expenditures in these areas to "save money." It might make our government's income statement look prettier this year, but in the long run it will cost far more.
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nominally. The CBO will score them for their 10-year impact, Congress will nod and smile, and then go back to talking about how much money we're spending right now. I noticed this mindset during Paul Ryan's response to the SOTU this year. He noted that Obama referred to "investments" when he really meant "spending." Actually, no. He DID mean investments. Spending more money now often means that we spend less money overall.
    wrong. spending more now means that you have a higher baseline in the future. each dollar extra that you spend now is a dollar plus interest you have to spend later just to "keep spending level". that's government economics.

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