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    This is the best news ever!!! The government shutting down is exactly what we need.

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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    I can't answer the poll, because they both are at fault. They both would rather have their ideological partisan slap fight instead of governing the country. Every member of the house, and senate should be ****ing ashamed of themselves.
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Both the congressional Republicans and Democrats are at fault. The president less so.

    I hate the entire way we do annual budgets in this country. People shriek that spending is too high without even considering that in some cases, more spending now means less spending in the long run. I wish we had 5 year plans (or even better, 10 year plans) like they do in China, instead of annual budgets. Then we could worry more about how to reduce costs in the long run and minimize the structural deficit, instead of trying to minimize spending right now, which is stupid and counterproductive.
    Unlike China, America is run by the people and actually exspects the people to have a personal responsibility for themselves to improve this country, because we have liberty and are free. Give the people more money, NOT the government.

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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The last continuing resolution that passed the House, the one that expires this week, needed Democratic support to get through. Radical Republicans are once again showing their inability to be reasonable, accept fair compromises or govern responsibly.
    And they'd be idiots to do it.

    Those "radical republicans" were sworn into office literally just THREE months ago in large part due to their voters desire for siginificant cuts in the budget. It is absolutely unrealistic to expect them to significantly and sizably compromise even more than they already have (that 63 million is already a great deal less than what they originally promised) literally 3 months after gaining office in part to NOT do exactly what you're saying they must do.

    Your idea of a "radical" republican is one that, upon immedietely entering office, gives their constituents the finger and says "HAHA, **** you, you gotta deal with my lying ass for 2 years".

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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Both the congressional Republicans and Democrats are at fault. The president less so.

    I hate the entire way we do annual budgets in this country. People shriek that spending is too high without even considering that in some cases, more spending now means less spending in the long run. I wish we had 5 year plans (or even better, 10 year plans) like they do in China, instead of annual budgets. Then we could worry more about how to reduce costs in the long run and minimize the structural deficit, instead of trying to minimize spending right now, which is stupid and counterproductive.
    This is an intriguing idea, though I think 5 years or 10 years is likely too much based on the way our electoral system works. I think I may start a thread in the Loft about this, as i don't want to derail this thread talking about proposed changes to a budgetary plan.

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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Unlike China, America is run by the people and actually exspects the people to have a personal responsibility for themselves to improve this country, because we have liberty and are free.
    And this has what to do with what I wrote?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17
    Give the people more money, NOT the government.
    Sometimes the best way to do that is to spend more now so that we don't have to spend as much later. For example, bridges are far cheaper and easier to maintain than to rebuild after they collapse. Or it's far cheaper for the government to chip in for preventative health care than to wait until the person is on Medicare and serious health problems develop. Or it's far cheaper to educate our kids well than to pay for a lifetime of unemployment, prisons, and antipoverty programs. Etc, etc.

    The whole mindset that we need spending cuts RIGHT NOW is silly. The government is not in imminent danger of going bankrupt. Yes, we have some serious problems with the long-term structural deficit that need to be solved, but that's no reason to cut off valuable spending now.
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Those "radical republicans" were sworn into office literally just THREE months ago in large part due to their voters desire for siginificant cuts in the budget. It is absolutely unrealistic to expect them to significantly and sizably compromise even more than they already have (that 63 million is already a great deal less than what they originally promised) literally 3 months after gaining office in part to NOT do exactly what you're saying they must do.
    That might be true...if they had been elected with sizable mandates to control the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the White House. But they weren't. They control HALF of Congress and don't have the presidency.

    Whether they like it or not, they are going to have to compromise in some way.
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    … Your idea of a "radical" republican is one that, upon immedietely entering office, gives their constituents the finger and says "HAHA, **** you, you gotta deal with my lying ass for 2 years".
    My idea of a radical Republican is one who unconscionably threatens to force this nation into default and bring about a worldwide financial catastrophe by refusing to raise the debt ceiling unless they get their way. My idea of a radical Republican is one who attaches riders to must pass budget bills in inane assaults on long standing national policies regarding women's health services, public broadcasting and a host of their other pet peeves despite not having held a single hearing or obtained a single committee vote. My idea of a radical Republican is one who goes to Washington and recklessly pursues a course that may result in shutting down the federal government and derailing our frail economic recovery.
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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And this has what to do with what I wrote?



    Sometimes the best way to do that is to spend more now so that we don't have to spend as much later. For example, bridges are far cheaper and easier to maintain than to rebuild after they collapse. Or it's far cheaper for the government to chip in for preventative health care than to wait until the person is on Medicare and serious health problems develop. Or it's far cheaper to educate our kids well than to pay for a lifetime of unemployment, prisons, and antipoverty programs. Etc, etc.

    The whole mindset that we need spending cuts RIGHT NOW is silly. The government is not in imminent danger of going bankrupt. Yes, we have some serious problems with the long-term structural deficit that need to be solved, but that's no reason to cut off valuable spending now.
    If you don't understand the correlation between those two statements... it's very sad. The first results in the second.

    I don't agree with government construction... it should be privetly owned. And all these government funded programs can be improved with competition... which results in less spending.
    Of course not everything can be done privately... but a good half chunk of it can

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    Re: If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If the government shuts down due to defunding who is at fault? The Republicans? The Democrats? The President? Who do you believe would be at fault if congress doesn't pass a spending bill that funds the government? Please explain your answers.
    The Reps don't really care if their bill passes or not. It's just another political gotcha to undermine Obama and gain ground to win the 2012 election... And these recalcitrant children actually control the House...

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