View Poll Results: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

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  • Any religious private school that included religious education/indoctrination.

    0 0%
  • Specific religious private schools that included religious education/indoctrination.

    1 3.33%
  • Religious private school that only use tax dollars for secular education.

    1 3.33%
  • Any religious private school whose education is secular.

    2 6.67%
  • Non-religious private schools.

    6 20.00%
  • I support school vouchers regardless of the type of school.

    8 26.67%
  • I do not support school voucher at all regardless of the private school.

    13 43.33%
  • other/I do not know

    4 13.33%
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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    the Students have money that they want! money is money, and that's what they have with the voucher. You just have a pre-concieved notion on how our current school system works. Current schools don't want bad student's because they will not get funding otherwise.
    Different schools will have different specialties. If it's a school that is known to help struggling students... THAT IS A GOOD THING... people will want to go to that school... especially if you have a struggling child. You have money in your power with the voucher.
    You assume that someone will want to create a school for bad students though it is a fact that bad students cost more to educate and thus are not as profitable. Why would someone want to reduce their profit? Doesn't make sense. Unless of course you eliminate the discrimination ability and require schools to take students.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    THATS THE WHOLE REASON FOR A CHARTER/PRIVATE SYSTEM.
    YOU the consumer are in CONTROL.
    This gives poor people a CHOICE and power to where their money is going. What school will they want their voucher going to? A sucky school that doesn't care about their students or the school that cares about their students (customers) and will try and help anyway they can. The school WILL fail if it sucks.
    Let's try this again. Obviously the consumer is in control...Unfortunately, the consumer is in control now as well.

    A huge part, if not the biggest part, of the reason why poor schools perform much worse than rich schools is because parents in rich schools would never allow their children to get the kind of education that uninvolved parents in poor schools do.

    Parents always have the choice to organize and protest and force changes they way they did in my suburb (middle class) and the way they didn't in the neighborhood a few miles away (inner city). With privatization, parents will be able to choose a school. The students of the attentive parents will do well and the students of inattentive parents will not do well and will end up in the crappy private schools with the other children of uninvolved parents.

    Competition only works when the consumer demands a product - uninvolved, drug addicted, jailed parents will not demand - so we need to create schools that address the needs of students with these types of parents and do not depend on them to demand something that they aren't going to.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    I think we should just keep on blaming the parents so that nobody has to actually teach the little criminals.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I think we should just keep on blaming the parents so that nobody has to actually teach the little criminals.
    Waaaaaah?

    10 chars.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Let's try this again. Obviously the consumer is in control...Unfortunately, the consumer is in control now as well.

    A huge part, if not the biggest part, of the reason why poor schools perform much worse than rich schools is because parents in rich schools would never allow their children to get the kind of education that uninvolved parents in poor schools do.

    Parents always have the choice to organize and protest and force changes they way they did in my suburb (middle class) and the way they didn't in the neighborhood a few miles away (inner city). With privatization, parents will be able to choose a school. The students of the attentive parents will do well and the students of inattentive parents will not do well and will end up in the crappy private schools with the other children of uninvolved parents.

    Competition only works when the consumer demands a product - uninvolved, drug addicted, jailed parents will not demand - so we need to create schools that address the needs of students with these types of parents and do not depend on them to demand something that they aren't going to.
    Again... even the poorest communities are protesting for better education. You don't care when you don't have a choice. A private/charter school could never thrive on people making crappy choices. Since people have a choice they will always pick the better option. It is only so long a school could get away with doing that before people would boycott it and go (with their money) to a better school.
    personal responsibility. You fail if you don't care, and you succeed if you do. You can't force people to care. And it is unconstitutional to.

    Remember since it would be private there would also be advertising and the whole market of education would grow tremendously. It is proven that private business is more efficient with money then the government, which includes charter schools( it's actually why there is charter schools).

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Again... even the poorest communities are protesting for better education.
    Again, SOME people in the poorest communities are protesting for better education. These are usually the same parents who raise successful students IN SPITE of the system. Unfortunately, MANY people in the poorest communities do not protest and they are the ones losing in the education system - they are the ones who don't demand now and won't demand in a private school/voucher situation.

    You don't care when you don't have a choice. A private/charter school could never thrive on people making crappy choices. Since people have a choice they will always pick the better option. It is only so long a school could get away with doing that before people would boycott it and go (with their money) to a better school.
    personal responsibility. You fail if you don't care, and you succeed if you do. You can't force people to care. And it is unconstitutional to.
    Once again, they already have a choice. The choice is not in choosing schools but in choosing to make the schools you already have better. Rich parents CHOOSE to protest, organize, demand, etc. in order to make their schools good. Uninvolved parents (who exist moreso in poor areas) do not make that choice.

    It is the responsibility of the government to provide adequate education for its citizens. Unfortunately, the government only fulfills this responsibility when taxpayers DEMAND that they provide a proper education. I'm not arguing that the government should "force people to care" (I neither said nor implied that), I'm arguing that the government should be made to provide quality education even when parents don't care and don't demand a quality education for their children.

    Remember since it would be private there would also be advertising and the whole market of education would grow tremendously. It is proven that private business is more efficient with money then the government, which includes charter schools(it's actually why there is charter schools).
    We need to have a system where students are given an education that doesn't depend on their parents' demand for it - because the students that fail are often the children of parents that do not demand and will not demand. Our education system needs to exist in such a way that no individual has any reason to need a voucher.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    If I'm limited to vouchers or the current method, I'll totally chose,

    "I support school vouchers regardless of the type of school.It should be the parent's choice what type of private school they want to use the vouchers for."

    As long as it includes home school.
    My kids secular home school program cost me $775, with the addition of another $2500-$5000, we could expand it to much larger depths.
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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    I also have to ask, for those of you so resistant to vouchers.

    Just how long should we wait for positive change?
    This topic of ****ty schools has been going on for nearly 30-40 years.
    Should we wait another 30 to find improvements, when they still haven't materialized?
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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    I think there is something people are missing in this discussion is that if voucher are given for private schools it will cause the demand to up. The more demand you have with a limited supply the costs will skyrocket. More buildings and teachers and the quality will suffer. Of course the charlatans will be out in force trying to make a quick buck. Overall, this a loser all the way around - poorer public schools and private schools with less quality education. There is now such thing as a free lunch.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think there is something people are missing in this discussion is that if voucher are given for private schools it will cause the demand to up. The more demand you have with a limited supply the costs will skyrocket. More buildings and teachers and the quality will suffer. Of course the charlatans will be out in force trying to make a quick buck. Overall, this a loser all the way around - poorer public schools and private schools with less quality education. There is now such thing as a free lunch.
    Huh?

    Can't they just build more private schools?
    Why will the quality suffer?

    What is your solution, if not this?
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