View Poll Results: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

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  • Any religious private school that included religious education/indoctrination.

    0 0%
  • Specific religious private schools that included religious education/indoctrination.

    1 3.33%
  • Religious private school that only use tax dollars for secular education.

    1 3.33%
  • Any religious private school whose education is secular.

    2 6.67%
  • Non-religious private schools.

    6 20.00%
  • I support school vouchers regardless of the type of school.

    8 26.67%
  • I do not support school voucher at all regardless of the private school.

    13 43.33%
  • other/I do not know

    4 13.33%
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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, actually they would not become public schools, unless you think that they will suddenly be under public control, which would not be the case.
    You misunderstood my comment... They will become the "public schools", there role as the main educational tool, meaning replacing them

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The problem is private schools run on two things: 1.Money 2.Demand for Quality.

    When both things are in play, competition will work and everything that you say will happen. School quality will increase.

    However, because so many poor parents aren't going to demand quality, the not-so-nice private schools will go for the money without the quality and we'll be stuck where we are now - poor kids with crappy parents get crappy education. Education will become a for-profit industry where people who have no actual interest in educating will get involved and be able to take advantage of students whose parents aren't active enough to demand quality.

    The problem of education is that wealthy/middle class parents are more likely to demand a good education for their students, while low-income parents are not. Unless they (including people like me and my parents) demand the same quality for low-income schools, the problem will persist whether it's in a wholly public or private system. I'm arguing that we should just end this problem now by making government take care of all students and schools equally.
    THERE is where your Liberal comes out...This charter and private school system will make people more accountable for their choice's, it is not simply chosen for them. Parent's and their child will not willingly go to a bad school if they know they have a choice. Why do you think there is a lot of protest in poor african american communities on their education? The parent's and the child have a personal responsibility to desire quality education. If you do not demand it, you will fail in the real world.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    You misunderstood my comment... They will become the "public schools", there role as the main educational tool, meaning replacing them
    If they want to be "public schools", they need to be under public control. If they are not, they are private schools and not a place for our education dollars.
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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhReally? View Post
    I think you're missing the argument. The argument is that private/charter schools do not HAVE to take a student yet we have mandatory education laws. This means that we would be creating a class of student unwanted by the higher achieving schools because they take more time and effort. This means that the higher levels of achievement is an illusion as the lower achieving students are not factored in.
    That isn't even an argument. That is a simple fix, to make school not be able to decline you on the basis of race, gender, wealth, residence... but only on performance/ and extra money requirements(if it is a school that requires it). Again there will be seperate markets for schools that accept voucher's and schools that require more( just like high performance and private schools are today in comparison to public.) The new "public school" will be the vouchered charter school.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If they want to be "public schools", they need to be under public control. If they are not, they are private schools and not a place for our education dollars.
    You still misunderstand... I was measly commenting on the role. The new "public school" will be the vouchered charter schools; meaning people get all of there education from either charter or private schools. There are still Public laws that put boundaries on charter/ and private schools.
    Last edited by celticwar17; 04-01-11 at 05:57 PM. Reason: meant to say Charter not public

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Complete privatization of schools is just as bad as having all public schools. There needs to be a balance so that students don't just become corporate or government tools. Part of me wants the Republican dream of all privatization to work so that you guys can see how horrible it is, but then I remember I care more about education than B.S..
    You can still enforce general public rule in charter schools... it won't become THAT ridiculous unless you let it.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    That isn't even an argument. That is a simple fix, to make school not be able to decline you on the basis of race, gender, wealth, residence... but only on performance/ and extra money requirements(if it is a school that requires it). Again there will be seperate markets for schools that accept voucher's and schools that require more( just like high performance and private schools are today in comparison to public.) The new "public school" will be the vouchered charter school.
    But under the current laws you cannot require charter schools to take all applicants. So you still run into the problem of not having schools for students who need to meet the mandatory education requirement. Plus, discriminating on academic performance creates false statistics.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhReally? View Post
    But under the current laws you cannot require charter schools to take all applicants. So you still run into the problem of not having schools for students who need to meet the mandatory education requirement. Plus, discriminating on academic performance creates false statistics.
    All of those are easily fixed with laws enforcing non-discrimination.

    "So you still run into the problem of not having schools for students who need to meet the mandatory education requirement."
    Your reasoning? The majority of people will only rely on the voucher money. Basically all the the people in public schools today will be in the schools that accept voucher's. There will be a huge market for it.

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    All of those are easily fixed with laws enforcing non-discrimination.

    "So you still run into the problem of not having schools for students who need to meet the mandatory education requirement."
    Your reasoning? The majority of people will only rely on the voucher money. Basically all the the people in public schools today will be in the schools that accept voucher's. There will be a huge market for it.
    So you assert that non-discrimination rules should include academic performance in relation to admittance in schools that get vouchers?

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    Re: What kinds of private schools would you support vouchers for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I don't support vouchers at all.

    Voucher programs only divert much needed funds away from public schools - putting the burden on those of us who do what we can to make public school work.
    Good, now if we can throw out PSAT, allow teachers to teach by example with their own methods and grading, they might be able to return to the good old days before "No child left behind."

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