View Poll Results: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

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  • Teachers

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  • Firemen

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  • policemen

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  • janitors employed by the state or city

    0 0%
  • dog catcher/animal control officer

    1 8.33%
  • meter maids

    0 0%
  • receptionist/secretaries working for the city or state

    0 0%
  • other tax payer funded employees

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  • All tax payer funded employees should be allowed to go through "trial de nova"

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  • No tax payer funded employees should be allowed to go through "trial de nova"

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    Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired? In other words which tax payer funded employees should go through judges to make sure proper procedures were followed when the individual was fired?


    Teachers
    Firemen
    policemen
    janitors
    dog catcher/animal control officer
    meter maids
    receptionist/secretaries
    other tax payer funded employees
    All tax payer funded employees should be allowed to go through "trial de nova"
    No tax payer funded employees should be allowed to go through "trial de nova"




    It looks like some elected officals in my state are using common sense
    Senate approves bill easing teacher firings | Tulsa World





    I say no tax payer funded employee should go through a judge to determine if proper procedures were followed when they were fired. It is some silly **** for tax payers to spend 80-100 thousand dollars just to fire a teacher.
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    Re: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    What has any of them done to deserve special proceedings, to avoid being fired?
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    Re: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    None. But they should obviously be able to bring discrimination claims or whathaveyou in court just like anybody else.

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    Re: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What has any of them done to deserve special proceedings, to avoid being fired?
    Why...

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    ...they joined a union and the union has bought them politicians to play with, including judges.

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    Re: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    None. But they should obviously be able to bring discrimination claims or whathaveyou in court just like anybody else.
    And they should be required to pay court costs for the defendant if their lawsuit is rejected, plus restitution for harm and suffering their false accusation caused.

    Otherwise, the only people who won't file automatic discrimination and harassment lawsuits against former government employers will be the straight white males who are excluded from every such discrimination category.

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    Re: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired? In other words which tax payer funded employees should go through judges to make sure proper procedures were followed when the individual was fired?

    Teachers
    Firemen
    policemen
    janitors
    dog catcher/animal control officer
    meter maids
    receptionist/secretaries
    other tax payer funded employees
    All tax payer funded employees should be allowed to go through "trial de nova"
    No tax payer funded employees should be allowed to go through "trial de nova"

    It looks like some elected officals in my state are using common sense
    Senate approves bill easing teacher firings | Tulsa World

    I say no tax payer funded employee should go through a judge to determine if proper procedures were followed when they were fired. It is some silly **** for tax payers to spend 80-100 thousand dollars just to fire a teacher.
    Good for Oklahoma. Hope it passes on through.

    Why should teachers be a special class of people with more rights than you and I? We have all kinds of protections in place against firing unjustly. The courts have held that even an employee handbook represents a contract between employers/employees. You can't be fired because of race, religion sex, family status and a variety of other reasons.

    And, of course, anyone is entitled to sue their employer if they believe they've been unjustly dismissed. The only thing this legislation does is take away a teacher's "right" to spend $80K-$100K of taxpayer money and none of their own to bring suit.

    Poor lil' teachers. Soon they'll have to stand on their own two feet like everyone else in the USA.
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    Re: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    I said teachers, police officers and firemen since they seem more likely to have the most grey area in the firings. Drunk teachers, abusive police officers and lazy firemen are easy to spot...but all three groups seem particularly vulnerable to political firings if they criticize their administrators. Even further, all three groups work in a grey area where the amount of responsibility they have for negative results is questionable in some cases - for that reason, it seems reasonable that their firing should be given more examination.

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    Re: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I said teachers, police officers and firemen since they seem more likely to have the most grey area in the firings. Drunk teachers, abusive police officers and lazy firemen are easy to spot...but all three groups seem particularly vulnerable to political firings if they criticize their administrators. Even further, all three groups work in a grey area where the amount of responsibility they have for negative results is questionable in some cases - for that reason, it seems reasonable that their firing should be given more examination.
    In the real world, sans unions, I think you'll find that every employee will find themselves in hot water if they criticize their superiors. What are "political firings?"
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    Re: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    In the real world, sans unions, I think you'll find that every employee will find themselves in hot water if they criticize their superiors. What are "political firings?"
    1. The real world includes unions. Your ideal world is the place that doesn't.
    2. No ****.
    3. Political firings - Person X comes out either against an administrator or policy, person X is fired.

    It would be a shame to lose great teachers, policemen and firemen to B.S. firings and due process makes it easier to prevent them.
    Last edited by ThePlayDrive; 03-30-11 at 10:25 AM.

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    Re: Which tax payer funded employee should go through a "trial de nova" when fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    1. The real world includes unions. Your ideal world is the place that doesn't.
    2. No ****.
    3. Political firings - Person X comes out either against an administrator or policy, person X is fired.
    As I said, every employee, not just police/fire/teachers/whatever, is going to be fired for "political reasons" just exactly like that. That's my point. An employee risks being fired any time they come out in an appropriate way against their superiors -- or company policy. What makes these groups different?
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