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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    this is a roundabout way to address the issue, changing the laws themselves would be a much improved (yet more difficult) option.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you must need oxygen
    way up there on that high horse
    I was just joining Yukon on the high-horse riding when he exlaimed "How dare anyone state I should be denied work becuase of something done years ago." -- so to clarify: this isn't my usual elevation. I like to sink as low as I can. :-P

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    By discriminating against those of us who have broken the law and unfortunately were caught you are simply forcing us to commit more crime in order to survive. People like this are complicit in the criminal acts committed as a result of their discriminatory practices. As an example Ronald Reagan armed Bin Laden in the 80 so that he could fight the Russinas in Afghanistan. Had Reagan not committed this criminal illegal act the Russians would have undoubtably killed Bin Laden. The death of Bin Laden in the 80's prevented 9/11. By arming Bin Laden Ronald Reagan was and is complicit in 9/11 - he is a murderer, no better than Bin Laden.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon View Post
    By discriminating against those of us who have broken the law and unfortunately were caught you are simply forcing us to commit more crime in order to survive.
    had that read

    discriminating against those of us who have broken the law and now, being unable to obtain honest labor - especially in a down economy - places us in a situation where we are more likely to commit further crime in order to survive.
    then i could have agreed with you

    but no one forces anyone to commit a crime. that's on each of us, whether we choose for ourselves to violate the law

    and this is simply [simple?] bull ****:
    People like this are complicit in the criminal acts committed as a result of their discriminatory practices. As an example Ronald Reagan armed Bin Laden in the 80 so that he could fight the Russinas in Afghanistan. Had Reagan not committed this criminal illegal act the Russians would have undoubtably killed Bin Laden. The death of Bin Laden in the 80's prevented 9/11. By arming Bin Laden Ronald Reagan was and is complicit in 9/11 - he is a murderer, no better than Bin Laden.
    when osama bin forgotten was originally armed, he was a freedom fighter fighting our common enemy. there is no way any of us could have then anticipated that he would later turn against us
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Fine. If blacks have a higher rate of crime than other races I argue that it is the fault of the public education system - the government. There is no doubt in my mind that the educational opportunitiies of blacks and of whites are a million miles apart.

    The way to rectify this situation is focus on the education of our young blacks rather than force busineses to hire those the government failed to educate. I do think New Orleans is a very good city to look at to consider the overall problem.
    I don't know where to begin a response here...

    First off, the public education system moreso at the state and local levels than at the federal level has manipulated the "system" for years in favor for people of one particular race over another. Redistricting, for example, isn't just about state and federal politics. It's also about segmentation (which is the new "segregation"). This is a concept that still baffles alot of people, but simply put if you can change the school district lines to be favorable for a particular school system, you can exclude certain people (or schools entirely) thereby taking financing from one area and giving it to another. It happens all the time all across America. Sometimes, it's the right thing to do because you do have poor economic districts riddled with crime and low housing/property rates and schools that under-perform. But then there are those situations where the school is doing well but for one reason or another enrollment falls off, perhaps because residents have just gotten older and the number of children in a particular area has declined. That's the situation in my neighborhood right now. Crime is low as is home vacancies, yet the residents in my community are just getting older. Their kids are now grown and have moved on but their parents remain. So, enrollment falls off and the school system feels it has to redraw district lines to shift children from one school district to the next. Has nothing to do with under-performing schools or crime.

    Now, to your issue of crime -vs- education, again the education system has nothing to do with that. It's not a teacher's job to teach good moral behavior. That's on the parents! But you are correct; the education opportunities among the races is vastly different and that's brought on moreso by family economic circumstances and/or minorities not being well (enough) informed of their education opportunities or, to be more specific, knowing that there are other ways one can go to college besides sports. Unfortunately, that route to higher education, fame and economic prosperity is STILL being pushed onto more blacks than whites in many areas around the country. But to blame the education system for crime is ridiculous!!!

    People have to believe there's more to life than what they see right outside their door. If the only thing (poor) people see is crime and they rarely, if ever, are shown another way to live, can you expect them to every do better for themselves or society? And what if society abandons them, just writes their neighborhood off as being hopeless or manipulated things to such a degree that minorities where fighting an uphill battle for prosperity from the start?

    These are the kinds of things I wrote about in a thread that's in the Off Topic forum on racism that people simply refuse to acknowledge happens even today. It's shameful. We as a nation can do better.
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon View Post
    By discriminating against those of us who have broken the law and unfortunately were caught you are simply forcing us to commit more crime in order to survive.
    The unfortunate part is not that you were caught but that you committed a crime in the first place.
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    The unfortunate part is not that you were caught but that you committed a crime in the first place.
    nobody is forcing anyone to commit a crime, unless you live in such abject poverty that you must commit theft to survive. I highly doubt this is Yukon's case.
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    I don't think the law matters in a moral sense, since both parties have valid complaints. But I'm not sure how effective it is, as it is much easier to come up with a pretense for continually rejecting people with criminal histories than people of different ethnic, religious, or racial backgrounds.

    Like outlawing prostitution or drugs. You can't cure social evils that afflict humankind passively aggressively. Personally, if a large number of unemployed ex-convicts is a concern, I would offer incentives to compensate employers for taking a risk and helping an ex-convict integrate back into the community. The average job-seeker loses in that scenario, but such are the sacrifices demanded when you try to actively solve a social evil.
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    how do you feel about ex cons being able to own firearms or vote?
    I can somewhat understand that a felon might lose his right to own a gun...but it's bothersome. As to voting? I don't think they should lose that right. They will continue to pay taxes...they should be represented.
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon View Post
    Unfortunately people still must be proteced form the hatred spewed from the mouths of the right-wing, loons of society. They hate blacks, chinese, liberals, abortions supporters, capital punishment oppoesers. they are a sick disgusting racist group. They are the TEA Baggers !
    Wow! That's a lot of hatred you have there, Fidel.

    And no, excons are in no way equal to people who have obeyed the rules. You'd have to do something very heroic or demonstrate massive philanthropy to put any criminal life behind you.

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