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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Age - Depends on job. A company should not be forced to hire a 80 year old man as a furniture mover and if Walmart only wants to hire seniors and cripples as greeters instead of young perfectly healthy able bodies people as greeters then that is their business. Some jobs depend on people who are able to lift heavy weight and not pass over and some jobs or more done as a service to the community like jobs for the elderly or disabled. Jobs that do not meet these two exceptions the government should ban businesses from discriminating on age.

    Gender -Depends on job.If Hooters only wants to hire females as waitresses, a maid cafe only wants to hire females as waitresses and Chip and Dales only wants to hire males as strippers then that is there business seeing how those businesses cater only to a specific crowd. If a business is not trying to attract a specif gender or a certian sexuality then they should not be allowed to discriminate on Gender. Jobs that require heavy lifting can simply weed out females though weight lifting and endurance ability requirements.

    Race is about the one thing the government should prevent companies from discriminating on. It should not even be a question on a job application and affirmative action should be illegal.

    Criminal history- depends on job. If its a job handling money then an employer should not be forced to hire someone convicted of theft or robbery, if its a child care provider then an employer should not be forced to hire someone convicted of child molestation or rape. In those cases the government should mandate that they ask specific questions like "have you been convicted of assault on a child, child abuse, child molestation or rape" on a application for child care provider, priest or any other job handling children, Have you been convicted of theft on a job application for a bank teller. If it's the law that an employer is not supposed to discriminate on past convictions then an employer should not be legally allowed to ask period.
    This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter. I'm fine with employers discriminating against people who have criminal convictions if those convictions relate to the job they would be doing.
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    It's not discrimination to not want to hire a convicted criminal and it's absolute idiocy to think otherwise. The idea that because lots of black people have criminal records, that they should get a pass is ridiculous. They don't have criminal records because they're black, they have them because they committed crimes!
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    I find it funny that the federal government asking a private company don't do something that the federal government does do. Anyone who went though a SF-86 background investigation knows this.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    If we're discussing a private sector business, then the government doesn't have any legitimate authority at all, only illegitimate power.

    What is a job? Is a job something held by the worker? Well, no. The job is what the worker does. The job itself is a need of the employer to have some task performed, and the employer is willing to provide compensation to the person they agree to allow to perform it. So if an employer has some seriously fine soldering to do, is he discriminating when he hires only women under the age of fifty to do the task? No. Well, yes, but not sexually. He's no hiring the banana fingered males, he's hiring the people with the smaller fingers who are more likely to be more nimble to do the task. Should he be forced to take the risk of loss of performance by hiring men? No, it's his business, not the government's. His loss, not the government's. The unemployment lines should be swelled massively by the number of people released from government employe whose sole purpose was enforcing those silly anti-"discrimination" laws.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not discrimination to not want to hire a convicted criminal and it's absolute idiocy to think otherwise. The idea that because lots of black people have criminal records, that they should get a pass is ridiculous. They don't have criminal records because they're black, they have them because they committed crimes!
    Mayor Snorkum objects to your statement on one ground.

    Any person who served time or was convicted for simple possession of drugs. That's a victimless crime and should present far less stigma than any DUI related conviction. So the guy has some weed, or a bag of coke. If he wasn't driving a car or selling the stuff in the schoolyard, who's harmed? No one.
    But that's still a crime.

    Perhaps some criminal convictions should not be part of the public record, since they shouldn't be considered crimes at all if society was sane.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    As someone who has powers as a Hiring Manager, I'll tell you right now that if I see the following criminal convictions on an application; sex related crimes and larceny I refuse to hire them. If someone got a DWI per say thats more of a meh, since my job doesn't require employees to drive for work such a conviction would be irrelevant to the job. Its not the governments job to set employment standards.
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Did anybody ever get through the teens without committing some sort of crime? Even we goody goody catholic boys did stuff that was illegal. There would be nobody to hire if you were too strict about the rules.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Did anybody ever get through the teens without committing some sort of crime? Even we goody goody catholic boys did stuff that was illegal. There would be nobody to hire if you were too strict about the rules.
    Don't confuse teenage antics with having a no **** criminal record. Those are two different things.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Did anybody ever get through the teens without committing some sort of crime? Even we goody goody catholic boys did stuff that was illegal. There would be nobody to hire if you were too strict about the rules.
    A juvenile record isn't the issue. In most states juvenile records are not accessible in public records. Now if you have an adult criminal record, that is a different thing, especially if there is a pattern of behavior over a sustained period.

    The whole premise of the OP is silly. Statistically, black males DO commit more crimes, per capita, than white or Hispanic males. To say it is discrimination is saying that criminal behavior in blacks is an integral part of their race. Now that should be a comforting thought to blacks everywhere.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    The whole premise of the OP is silly. Statistically, black males DO commit more crimes, per capita, than white or Hispanic males. To say it is discrimination is saying that criminal behavior in blacks is an integral part of their race. Now that should be a comforting thought to blacks everywhere.
    I blame the education system as much as anything for the behavior of some races. People with BAs don't go around robbing people. There's no excuse for allowing kids to blow off an education. I have to go by what I see in my town.

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