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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    Not quite logic 101, IMO.

    What we feel the government has an 'obligation' to protect comes down to what we individually prioritize: The freedom of the business owner to run his/her business as they please OR making sure the privelage of work is equally accessible.

    To me, work is a privelage. Not a right. Making decisions on running your business (property) as you see fit (so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others) is a true right.
    The business owner *DOES* have a right to hire, or not hire, whoever they want, regardless of their criminal history. If you own a business and want to hire all ex-cons, feel free. Nobody can stop you. However, you can neither require another business owner to do so, just because you think they ought to. Work is a privilege, true, but there's no such thing as "equally accessible" in the workplace. People without medical training cannot get work as doctors. People who have not passed the bar cannot work as lawyers. I certainly wouldn't hire a flower arranger if I needed someone trained as a civil engineer. Likewise, I wouldn't hire a convicted thief if I needed someone who was trustworthy. They've already proven by their actions that they cannot be trusted. Maybe if they've been out of prison and had a clean record for 15-20 years, I might consider them, but right out of the cell? Hell no.
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    I've known more criminals than most. Very, very few committed crimes out of necessity. Most chose to commit crimes. In thirty years I met less than a dozen people who were, in my opinion, evil. Most were dumb as a turnip. Many couldn't read. Many, perhaps most, had dropped out of school. They had zero job experience. Many had serious problems with substance abuse, anger, and impulse control. In short, they had a lot of reasons for not getting hired but I have no doubt the one they talked about was that they were an ex-con. It's so much easier than saying, "I didn't get hired because I couldn't fill out the application."

    I helped a lot of ex-cons get jobs. I was very selective because businesses were trusting me to use some judgement. Most of the time it worked out. But, occasionally, people I was willing to help didn't want the kind of jobs you can get when you drop out of school and go to prison. Starting out as bank president is pretty much out of the question.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    A Yahoo featured article's URL is below.

    I didn't know this was against the law. Apparently it is (or can be). If you admit to having a felony within the past 7 years, as an employer, a company is not allowed to reject your application for that reason.

    As the article explains:

    "Because discriminating against those with criminal records disproportionately hurts African Americans, the practice may violate the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits race-based hiring discrimination. Indeed, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has said that although considering an applicant's criminal record may be acceptable on a case-by-case basis, an "absolute bar to employment" for such people is illegal."


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    But this also leads to other questions: age discrimination or gender discrimination.

    These things are illegal. I don't agree with the government intervening. I'm sure many of you do. As some will undoubtedly ask, "what about race discrimination?" This is no different in my opinion (at least at the federal level, as with any of these equal opportunity bills mandated on private companies). Obviously, I'm not suggesting that they DO discriminate based on race, but rather that the federal government shouldn't intervene.

    It's a private company! For public services, sure, do what you wish.

    So the question:

    Do you believe the government should be able to prevent private companies from discriminating against applicants based on: age, gender, race and criminal history?
    I get away, as an employer, on a daily basis with denying employment to anyone who falls under the following:

    1. Crimes of Moral Terpitude.
    2. Any Felony
    3. Any individuals charged with crimes against kids or the elderly but not yet found to be Not Guilty.

    In fact, as an employer, I even get away with running them through BCI and opening up sealed records and denying employment based upon what is in those records. Juvenile convictions are even open for review.

    How?

    It's simple. I own a small software company whose primary purpose is the development of software for schools that contains high security items within it. If you have been convicted of a crime against kids, charged but not yet found Not Guilty, a crime of moral terpitude or any felony then my company will show you the door. It's simple, what we do works with kids, our job is to actually help protect the schools, if we have ex-cons working for us then how can we ensure we havethe best people for the job who have the best interests of the kids at heart. Now granted, we don't get many applicants with criminal records and while some will argue that looking at juvenile convictions or those that have been sealed/expunged is illegal, it's not.

    Look at the law in regards to sealed/expunged records. They can be opened up basically either of 2 ways:

    By a signed order of the court that sealed it or if the applicant is subject to a background check for a position that will have them working directly or indirectly with children and/or elderly as their primary position. Because my company works directly for schools that means that all my employees work directly or indirectly with children and thus we hire noone with basically more than a minor traffic ticket. Yes, a DUI or DUS ticket will cause use to deny you employment.

    As far as the 65 million who are ex-cons looking for jobs, go rent a u-haul and move to where they don't care if your a criminal. People have the legal right to decide who is and is not allowed in their home, companies are privately owned and we as owners have the right to decide who is and is not allowed inside of our business. I promise you, the first time someone tries to force me to hire a criminal I will shut my doors and move the company to a location so far away that convict will never consider applying.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Business has the right to exclude people if they wish. Its a bad business decision though.
    No it isn't. You have to protect your other employees.

    If you hire a felon and he hurts another employee, you are 100% liabel for the damage.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    A Yahoo featured article's URL is below.

    I didn't know this was against the law. Apparently it is (or can be). If you admit to having a felony within the past 7 years, as an employer, a company is not allowed to reject your application for that reason.

    As the article explains:

    "Because discriminating against those with criminal records disproportionately hurts African Americans, the practice may violate the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits race-based hiring discrimination. Indeed, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has said that although considering an applicant's criminal record may be acceptable on a case-by-case basis, an "absolute bar to employment" for such people is illegal."


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    But this also leads to other questions: age discrimination or gender discrimination.

    These things are illegal. I don't agree with the government intervening. I'm sure many of you do. As some will undoubtedly ask, "what about race discrimination?" This is no different in my opinion (at least at the federal level, as with any of these equal opportunity bills mandated on private companies). Obviously, I'm not suggesting that they DO discriminate based on race, but rather that the federal government shouldn't intervene.

    It's a private company! For public services, sure, do what you wish.

    So the question:

    Do you believe the government should be able to prevent private companies from discriminating against applicants based on: age, gender, race and criminal history?
    For the record if you have a criminal background, you cannot get a job with any type of government.

    Hypocrisy?

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    No it isn't. You have to protect your other employees.

    If you hire a felon and he hurts another employee, you are 100% liabel for the damage.
    I was talking about what the law should say.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I was talking about what the law should say.
    You said it was a bad business decision to reject felons. I say it is not.

    The other employees safety is paramount.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    "Because discriminating against those with criminal records disproportionately hurts African Americans,
    The solution could be very easy, African American will stop to commit crime!
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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You said it was a bad business decision to reject felons. I say it is not.

    The other employees safety is paramount.
    I was talking about a long series of issues that involve their decisions, not just felons. But they shouldn't be accountable for the felon and if the felon served his time, he should get whatever job he wants unless the business decides they don't want them.
    Last edited by Henrin; 04-29-11 at 03:18 PM.

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    Re: Can employers reject applicants who have a criminal history

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    The solution could be very easy, African American will stop to commit crime!
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